Finance/Stadium/Concessions Info

[TubbyChooChoo]

Post this stuff here.

[TubbyChooChoo]

Team Finances 4/7/08
Current Cash
$1,409,157.00

Daily Expenses
Daily Salary
$40,399.00 ($1,615,960.00/yr)
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*New Construction - Section Expansion
$100,000 [20 Club seats, 50 Regular Seats]

*These seats were added for the current season and will be available for the next home game.

[TubbyChooChoo]

Stadium Expansion Plans


Should we host some games in the playoffs the plan is to purchase two corner stadium sections for $2,000,000 adding (3680 seats).
Creating a "U" shaped Utopian Stadium

If we are unable to generate that kind of capital in the playoffs but come close the plan is to purchase the other end zone section $1,500,000 adding (2760 seats).

Currently our stadium is named: Cemetery Ridge Stadium
[for the cemetery overlooking the stadium up on the ridge :) ]

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Team Finances
Current Cash
$1,761,521.00

Daily Expenses
Daily Salary
$41,525.00 ($1,661,000.00/yr)

[GatorTD8to10]

I see what you did there.

[TubbyChooChoo]

Attd. 10,350 SOLD OUT

$146,100.00 Concession Sales

[truSteh]

Attd. 10,350 SOLD OUT

$146,100.00 Concession Sales

Nice [cool]

[TubbyChooChoo]

Owener Tubby Choo Choo announced another $1 million dollar stadium expansion this morning.
The off-season will see the stadium undergo many changes. The fans will benefit as will the team.

100 Level Home Right Corner (106-109)
Construction Planned for Off-season (adds 1840 seats)

As soon as financing is secured the team plans to purchase the other corner section at that end of the season as well.
[Playoff money will make that happen!]

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Current Cash
$1,040,038.00

Daily Expenses
Daily Salary
$41,458.00 ($1,658,320.00/yr)

[CSG]

Is the new section going to be named the Cobra section, since around a million dollars went to Centerville from the Cobras. I am not complaining, we got some good players in return for our money. I was just wondering.

[TubbyChooChoo]

Is the new section going to be named the Cobra section, since around a million dollars went to Centerville from the Cobras. I am not complaining, we got some good players in return for our money. I was just wondering.

I can see this Utopian program to make our Centerville team the most bad ass in the game for years to come isn't going to last long.

It appears everyone who owns a team is really only interested in winning with their team not creating a Utopian dynasty. Looks like soon I'll be resorting to signing non-Utop human free agents and dropping the Utopia name like you guys have mentioned.

[Milo]

It appears everyone who owns a team is really only interested in winning with their team not creating a Utopian dynasty. Looks like soon I'll be resorting to signing non-Utop human free agents and dropping the Utopia name like you guys have mentioned.

What the hell is going on behind the scenes?

[CSG]

I can see this Utopian program to make our Centerville team the most bad ass in the game for years to come isn't going to last long.

It appears everyone who owns a team is really only interested in winning with their team not creating a Utopian dynasty. Looks like soon I'll be resorting to signing non-Utop human free agents and dropping the Utopia name like you guys have mentioned.

Dude I was just kidding about the money. I am all for what we've got going right now.

[TubbyChooChoo]

What the hell is going on behind the scenes?


Nothing much really ... our affiliates [as we call them now] want to win first develop Utopians second, thats all.

Which is fine, if thats the way they are going to play the game.
I just can't rely on any players coming up the pipeline because they are going to want to keep any good players for themselves. I already get resistance when trying to make moves so I can imagine what will happen on down the road.

Should be interesting to see how it plays out.

[TubbyChooChoo]

Dude I was just kidding about the money. I am all for what we've got going right now.


Thats not the impression I got from you in previous communications.

[CSG]

Nothing much really ... our affiliates [as we call them now] want to win first develop Utopians second, thats all.

Which is fine, if thats the way they are going to play the game.
I just can't rely on any players coming up the pipeline because they are going to want to keep any good players for themselves. I already get resistance when trying to make moves so I can imagine what will happen on down the road.

Should be interesting to see how it plays out.

I can tell you how my team will play out. After next season it is up for sale. I only bought it for two seasons, and probably wont renew it.

[TubbyChooChoo]

Tubby Choo Choo announced this afternoon that the team has in fact secured proper financing and has completed the east endzone with another corner section. Known as the Cobra Corner the section was named after Centerville's affiliate franchise. The team will host at least one playoff game which helped make this possible.

100 Level Visitor Right Corner (116-121)
Construction Planned for Off-season (+1840 seats)


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Team Finances
Current Cash
$177,015.00

Daily Expenses
Daily Salary
$42,137.00 ($1,685,480.00/yr)

[TubbyChooChoo]

Centerville Utopians
Total cost of the stadium expansion project was $3.5 million.

http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/1457/cemeterystadiumend1mn1.jpg


UTOPS
Great job guys getting this stadium done!
The revenue will help Utopia compete in GLB for years to come!

Tubby

[DHawkeye]

Sweet. Utops playin' in the "U" huh? :D

[TubbyChooChoo]

Sweet. Utops playin' in the "U" huh? :D

sweet isn't it!

[JeffHCross]

It appears everyone who owns a team is really only interested in winning with their team not creating a Utopian dynasty. Looks like soon I'll be resorting to signing non-Utop human free agents and dropping the Utopia name like you guys have mentioned.You are really overreacting, you know that?

[TubbyChooChoo]

You are really overreacting, you know that?


I hope so.

[JeffHCross]

You are. The "resistance" you got earlier was largely due to
a) The situation at the time, with two games remaining before the playoffs, particularly with the fact that TRAINING GROUND was our final game.
b) The unilateral nature of the moves in question.

I have no problem with helping Centerville succeed. I want them to do so. And I feel like you made very good moves, most of which helped more than hurt. You and I are both still learning about the game (now that we've figured out how the depth chart works we should be real good with figuring out who we need), and so there are going to be some conflicts.

If Centerville has some player needs and we can fill them, I'd have no issue doing so. None.

For myself, personally, the only reason I advocated a change from the Utopia Cobras name was because 1) Utopia shouldn't be a city ... well, I didnt think it was (turns out there are some silly town names!), 2) There is another team named the Cobras.

Personally, if we can't come up with anything better, I say stick with the name.

What I think would be really cool is if we could find some real cities named ____topia and use them. But unfortunately none of my searches have come up with any results.

[GatorTD8to10]

The reaction he got is based on the fact you two have completely seperate thoughts on how this should be run...and yet both of you are jockeying for the leadership role.

There. I said it.

[JeffHCross]

There. I said it.You two being myself and CSG, or myself and Tubby?

If it's the latter, you're right and I don't think you needed to say it ... I think it's become painfully obvious. I'm just trying to make it clear that my "resistance" was in a unique situation, not across the board as Tubby seems to feel it was. I'm in this game because of Utopia, so obviously I want Utopia to succeed!

Going back to the names of teams, here's something I posted on the Cobras forum:
My first choice would be a real city with ____topia as its name. Unfortunately, I've yet to find any.

My second idea was that each Utopian team would take a real-life "lost" or "ancient" city and use it for the name. Such as: Ayutthaya Utopians.

Ayutthaya is an ancient 'lost city' in Southeast Asia.

Other options: ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_city#Southeast_Asia )
Asia
Far East Asia
* Yamatai – Japan.
Southeast Asia
* Sukhothai
* Ayutthaya
* Angkor and surrounds
South Asia
* Vijayanagar
* Poompuhar – Located in South India
* Mohenjodaro – Located in Pakistan Sindh
* Harappa – Located in Pakistan Punjab
* Taxila – Located in Pakistan's Northwest Frontier Province
* Muziris

Central Asia
* Abaskun – Medieval Caspian Sea trading port
* Ani – Medieval Armenian capital
* Harappa – early city part of the Indust Valley Civilisation
* Mohenjo Daro – early city part of the Indust Valley Civilisation
* Dwarka – ancient seat of Krishna, hero of the Mahabharata. Now largely excavated. Off the coast of the Indian state of Gujarat.
* Niya – Located in the Taklamakan Desert, on the ancient Silk Road route.
* Loulan – Located in the Taklamakan Desert, on the ancient Silk Road route.
* Subashi – Located in the Taklamakan Desert, on the ancient Silk Road route.
* Otrar – City located along the Silk Road, important in the history of Central Asia.
* Karakorum – Capital of Genghis Khan.
* Old Urgench – Capital of Khwarezm.
* Mangazeya, Siberia
* Turquoise Mountain - Capital of Afghanistan, destroyed 1220

Western Asia/Middle East
* Akkad
* Babylon
* Çatalhöyük – A Neolithic and Chalcolithic settlement, located near the modern city of Konya, Turkey.
* Choqa Zanbil
* Ctesiphon
* Iram of the Pillars – Lost Arabian city in the Empty Quarter.
* Kourion, Cyprus
* Hattusa – Capital of the Hittite Empire. Located near the modern village of Boğazköy in north-central Turkey.
* Kish
* Lagash
* Nineveh
* Persepolis
* Petra
* Troy
* UrBabylon or Troy could also be cool, even though they're in Western Asia, not SE.The idea being that <ancient city name> Utopians sounds pretty prestigious, imo.

[GatorTD8to10]

Yes. I meant between Tubby and yourself.

If you two are the leadership group, then you two need to get together and not be colliding on big issues.

The other thing I probably should add....You gotta remember. As much as we want to win and dominate.. We have to keep this fun for everyone (that especially means for players) or everyone is going to drop like absolute flies.

[JeffHCross]

If you two are the leadership group, then you two need to get together and not be colliding on big issues.Speaking for myself, Tubby, Catch and Estes are the leadership group, if we have one. They're the ones that got this started, and there's a reason they're the moderators of this subforum.

It just happens that most of the clashes this week happened over the Cobras, so that's why I was involved.

[GatorTD8to10]

Fair enough. Im not as deeply involved (especially with the Cobras and the Stingers stuff..I have no players on either of those squads) as they and you guys are.

[TubbyChooChoo]

It'll all work out.... I'm excited we have a bunch of people that are into the game enough to actually argue an fight about it. I think we've all done a good job adapting and compromising so far. It isn't perfect but what is?

Our destiny is to dominate this game.

[JeffHCross]

Yeah, I think we're going to be fine from here on out. We've basically got four tiers of Utopian teams right now, and as long as we can continue those, we're in luck.

We also seem to be adding new Utopian members thanks to GLB. Good! (Note to any of those new guys that see this, feel free to explore the forum!)

[mad maxx]

As someone that does not have a team but a player, everyone wants to win. From a players standpoint there is more communication needed to the individual player when they are getting traded. Right now everyone wants their guy to play and win. Unfortunately this is a new game and I can tell it has been a test for Tubby trying to find the right balance for subs. He has done a really good job and has put a lot of time into trying to get people playing time so they can develop and win.

The idea of having a minors system is great and gives us a big advantage in this game. However when you have something like that everyone wants to be on the top team and heading into next year we may have an issue with keeping people or finding people willing to accept backup roles.

Everyone that bought a team before the creation of the minors system wants to see their team win and do well and that's understandable. What you may need to have is non-utopian players just to keep the lower tier teams competitive when players get brought up.

One last thing this season was certainly a learn as we go process and heading into the next we will certainly be more organized and have a better idea of our depth so players can be distributed evenly and appropriately for the different levels.

Just some thoughts by a newer person. Don't take this the wrong way it is meant to be positive. Everyone has done an awesome job putting this thing together and we can already see how successful we're going to be as long as we work together.

[shakeyjake448]

As far as backups go, I think next season in Centerville we should have one main backup for each position. So it would be sort of like this:

Position|# of backups
QB|1
RB|1
FB|1
WR|2?
TE|1
T|1
G|1
C|1
DE|1
DT|1
LB|2?
CB|2?
FS/SS|1

Until they incorporate injuries into this game, there is no reason to have people just riding the bench. I think if we did something like that, our backups would end up getting almost the same number of plays as the starters so everyone is happy. Then the rest of our roster can be filled with cheap CPU or human players.

It would also allow us to distribute some of our higher quality players to our other teams to help improve them. This way everybody is getting a fair amount of playing time and everyone is developing.

[TubbyChooChoo]

As far as backups go, I think next season in Centerville we should have one main backup for each position. So it would be sort of like this:

Position|# of backups
QB|1
RB|1
FB|1
WR|2?
TE|1
T|1
G|1
C|1
DE|1
DT|1
LB|2?
CB|2?
FS/SS|1

Until they incorporate injuries into this game, there is no reason to have people just riding the bench. I think if we did something like that, our backups would end up getting almost the same number of plays as the starters so everyone is happy. Then the rest of our roster can be filled with cheap CPU or human players.

It would also allow us to distribute some of our higher quality players to our other teams to help improve them. This way everybody is getting a fair amount of playing time and everyone is developing.

Thats what I was doing until playoff time and then I brought in some depth.
Sounds like a plan!

[JeffHCross]

Position|# of backups
QB|1
RB|1
FB|1
WR|2
TE|1
T|2
G|2
C|1
DE|2
DT|2
LB|3
CB|2
FS|1
SS|1I'd still argue this instead, though I realize with Centerville's depth they can get away with fewer players at positions like DT, LB, etc. The above is what I'd like to have the Cobras at next year, though extra depth wouldn't hurt with the stamina levels some of our players have (and the fact that some guys refuse to get healthy between games)

[JeffHCross]

more communication needed
more organized
better idea of our depth Those three right there are the key. Good job, maxx. We'll get it.

[TubbyChooChoo]

Holy shit.. I jacked up ticket prices for the home playoff game and we sold out!

$80 Regular Seats
$165 For Premium Club Seats

$900,250.00 Ticket Sales WOOT!

If we win a few games we'll be able to really crank the stadium construction up!!!

[JeffHCross]

Yeah, I didn't even think about playoff ticket sales. [down]

[ZeekLTK]

I think the main problem is that all the Utopian teams are in such high divisions across the board.

Farm teams work because the teams are staggered into different levels of competition, so you can move players up and down and the teams will all still be competitive within their respective leagues, even the teams who have the "lesser" players on their rosters.

However, the way we have it, Centerville and Middlesburg (and probably the other teams who are all in AAA, but I honestly haven't paid attention to them) all need the best players they can get to be competitive in their respective leagues. We don't have any teams in "shitty" leagues like USA CCC or something where we can put new/low level players and have that team still be competitive.

I mean, right now is there really any difference in competition that Centerville faces compared to Middlesburg? I don't think there is, so why should Middlesburg "suffer" just so Centerville can do good? Centerville isn't even in as high a division as Middlesburg (AAA vs Pro)... If Middlesburg was only facing opponents with level 5-6 players, then fine, send our level 8-9 players to Centerville, but when Rohenheim and Valencia are just as good as (if not better than) California or Buffalo (or whoever is tops in USA AAA) then it doesn't make sense to have one team be a "farm team" and the other to be a "main team", especially for the people who are on the "farm team".

And, again, that's not even taking into consideration the Asian and Oceania teams, which I'm sure face just as stiff competition since they are all in AAA as well, meaning they need top level players to win also.

[mad maxx]

That is a very good point that we need B level teams to be the "minors." I'm not sure but is there a difference in the XP gained at different leagues? My understanding is that currently there is not one but it was a possibility.

[TubbyChooChoo]

I think the main problem is that all the Utopian teams are in such high divisions across the board.

Farm teams work because the teams are staggered into different levels of competition, so you can move players up and down and the teams will all still be competitive within their respective leagues, even the teams who have the "lesser" players on their rosters.

However, the way we have it, Centerville and Middlesburg (and probably the other teams who are all in AAA, but I honestly haven't paid attention to them) all need the best players they can get to be competitive in their respective leagues. We don't have any teams in "shitty" leagues like USA CCC or something where we can put new/low level players and have that team still be competitive.

I mean, right now is there really any difference in competition that Centerville faces compared to Middlesburg? I don't think there is, so why should Middlesburg "suffer" just so Centerville can do good? Centerville isn't even in as high a division as Middlesburg (AAA vs Pro)... If Middlesburg was only facing opponents with level 5-6 players, then fine, send our level 8-9 players to Centerville, but when Rohenheim and Valencia are just as good as (if not better than) California or Buffalo (or whoever is tops in USA AAA) then it doesn't make sense to have one team be a "farm team" and the other to be a "main team", especially for the people who are on the "farm team".

And, again, that's not even taking into consideration the Asian and Oceania teams, which I'm sure face just as stiff competition since they are all in AAA as well, meaning they need top level players to win also.


I have answers to all that but I don't have time right now to answer all this again...someone who has been around from the start please explain to him or I'll be on later and will do it.

[JeffHCross]

I think the main problem is that all the Utopian teams are in such high divisions across the board.One problem with that is that this is the first season, so I'm fairly sure every division, no matter the letters, is about even. I'd be very surprised if USA CCC contains considerably lower level players than USA AAA.

Pro Leagues are the exception because, as I understand it, most Pro League teams were Alpha testers.

[mad maxx]

I think what happened is that people bought teams without really paying attention to levels because at the time that wasn't the concern. People just wanted to own teams and then later on the idea of the minors came about with Centerville as the top focus.

[JeffHCross]

Yes, that's probably true maxx.

That said, the letters imply a level pecking order that I feel simply isn't there yet.

[TubbyChooChoo]

http://img356.imageshack.us/img356/4585/phase3expansionlu7.jpg

Note:
Depending on results and if we host more games we could potentially enclose the stadium and complete Level 100 construction!

[shakeyjake448]

I like the looks of that stadium:D

[CSG]

Should have moved Phase 1 to the otherside so the stadium would be a C for Centerville.

[TubbyChooChoo]

Should have moved Phase 1 to the otherside so the stadium would be a C for Centerville.


It was a U for Utopia...but we are making so much money in the playoffs I just keep going around. :)

[Estes]

Speaking of expansion, the 'Roos added the same phase 1 part as Centerville and bumped both blue (default) sides to 4,500 regular seats and 400 club seats each.

[mad maxx]

looking good. Let's keep winning so we can keep growing.

[shakeyjake448]

Tubby are you raising the ticket prices throughout the playoffs or were they the same price for both games? You should try to get a feel for the maximum amount of money the fans will pay.

[TubbyChooChoo]

Tubby are you raising the ticket prices throughout the playoffs or were they the same price for both games? You should try to get a feel for the maximum amount of money the fans will pay.

I raised it from the regular season and now I keep raising each round.

A ticket to the Western Conf. Championship will cost ya....
$90 Regular Seating
$175 Club Seating

[lseknightpride]

Raise it a little bit more. Make it $100 and $200.

I'm sure you are well aware of how to maximizing profits, but if we lose a few fans because of the increased ticket prices, the increased price of each ticket should still make us money.

We have 9500 normal seats, and 850 club.
At $90 and $175 we'd make:
(90*9500)+(850*175)= $855,000 + $148750 = $1,003,750.
If we raised our prices to 100 and 200 we'd make:
(100*9500)+(850*200)= $950,000 + $170,000 = $1,120,000
That's extra profit of > $116K

Even if we get a slight decrease in attendence (9000, 750)
(100*9000)+(750*200)= $900,000 + $150,000 = $1,050,000
Extra profit of > $46K

We don't know how many fans would show, but I get the feeling it'd be enough to raise the prices a little more.

That money can make a big difference.

[TubbyChooChoo]

Raise it a little bit more. Make it $100 and $200.

I'm sure you are well aware of how to maximizing profits, but if we lose a few fans because of the increased ticket prices, the increased price of each ticket should still make us money.

We have 9500 normal seats, and 850 club.
At $90 and $175 we'd make:
(90*9500)+(850*175)= $855,000 + $148750 = $1,003,750.
If we raised our prices to 100 and 200 we'd make:
(100*9500)+(850*200)= $950,000 + $170,000 = $1,120,000
That's extra profit of > $116K

Even if we get a slight decrease in attendence (9000, 750)
(100*9000)+(750*200)= $900,000 + $150,000 = $1,050,000
Extra profit of > $46K

We don't know how many fans would show, but I get the feeling it'd be enough to raise the prices a little more.

That money can make a big difference.

I'll give it a shot...I actually did bump them up again already but we can go for it.
We'd need to make $1.4 million to add the last 100 level stadium section.
Which means we'd need to win and host the AAA championship.

I'll go $99 and $199 and see what happens.

[JeffHCross]

We don't know how many fans would show, but I get the feeling it'd be enough to raise the prices a little more. That's the problem with this game ... there seem to be no predictable models. I lowered the prices of some of our concessions, and we actually sold less of those products.

That makes no sense.

[TubbyChooChoo]

That's the problem with this game ... there seem to be no predictable models. I lowered the prices of some of our concessions, and we actually sold less of those products.

That makes no sense.

ya... i did that earlier in the year...

for the playoffs i raised concession prices and we sold a bit less but made more $$$ overall

[TubbyChooChoo]

We just SOLD OUT the game vs the Rage at $99/$199.

+ $1,109,650.00 Ticket Sales

Team Finances
Current Cash
$1,244,726.00

Daily Expenses
Daily Salary
$41,812.00 ($1,672,480.00/yr)

[mad maxx]

Good job keep increasing those prices. We want the biggest stadium in the league.

[lseknightpride]

We just SOLD OUT the game vs the Rage at $99/$199.

+ $1,109,650.00 Ticket Sales

Team Finances
Current Cash
$1,244,726.00

Daily Expenses
Daily Salary
$41,812.00 ($1,672,480.00/yr)

For the championship raise them to $149, $299. The bigger stadium expansion we can get for season two the more money we'll have in the next few years.

[lseknightpride]

Tubby how much did we make that game?

[TubbyChooChoo]

Tubby how much did we make that game?


$1,109,650.00 Ticket Sales
$168,706.00 Concessions
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$1,278,356.00 Total


Financial Report
Current Cash
$1,371,620.00

Daily Expenses
Daily Salary
$41,812.00 ($1,672,480.00/yr)
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I believe the championship is on a neutral site so we do not get any revenue.

I am planning to take out a $1.5 million dollar loan and build a $2.5 million dollar upper deck on the home side. It adds 3250 seats, some of which are club level Bort mentioned.

Closing the stadium in only costs $1.5 million [we'd still need a loan] and it only adds 2760 seats [none of which are club level]. Thus an easy decision to go for the upper deck construction.

[TubbyChooChoo]

OK! It's a done deal. I took out a loan so we could finish off season contruction plans. WOOOOOT!


http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/1184/season2stadiumzc5.jpg


Post Expansion Report

Team Finances
Current Cash
$371,620.00

Daily Expenses
Daily Salary
$41,812.00 ($1,672,480.00/yr)

[TubbyChooChoo]

Awesome we do get to host the championship game with our better record!!!

I raised prices to what I thought would be a championship level for AAA.

$125 Regular
$225 Club

SOLD OUT!!!

$1,378,750.00 in Ticket Sales!!!



Unable to afford the final section available to us this year no matter what [another $2.5 million doallar upper deck visitors side] I paid off the loan I took out early in full so it's like we never took it out.
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Team Finances
Current Cash
$208,558.00

Daily Expenses
Daily Salary
$41,812.00 ($1,672,480.00/yr)

[JeffHCross]

Uh ... did I just read that right that you only have five days worth of salary money?

Lucky you next season is fast approaching :)

[TubbyChooChoo]

Uh ... did I just read that right that you only have five days worth of salary money?

Lucky you next season is fast approaching :)


We'll make $165K in concession sales at the big game so we'll be good to go until the next season starts. Then we'll get a boost from new ticket sales and should bank several million.

[JeffHCross]

Ah. Hadn't thought about concessions. Yes, that'd be a difference maker.

[TubbyChooChoo]

If anyone asks why Centerville has a big stadium, here's why!
hosting 4 playoff games is lucrative!

Playoff Income Season One

Game 1
$900,250.00 tickets
$155,951.00 concessions
Total: $1,056,201.00

Game 2
$952,000.00 tickets
$168,765.00 concessions
Total: $1,120,765.00

Game 3
$1,109,650.00 tickets
$168,706.00 concessions
Total: $1,278,356.00

Game 4
$1,378,750.00 tickets
$179,834.00 concessions
Total: $1,558,584.00

Grand Total - Playoff Income
$5,013,906.00

[Papa LoneStar]

http://blogs.pcworld.com/phoneconnection/archives/shocked.bmp

What up with that playoff bonus? ;)

I like how they increased with every game....damn bandwagoners! :D

[TubbyChooChoo]

LMAO

It's because I raised the ticket prices for each round.... every home game sold out this year including the four playoff games.

[Papa LoneStar]

LMAO

It's because I raised the ticket prices for each round.... every home game sold out this year including the four playoff games.

Duh....yea....that makes sense....:D

[JeffHCross]

If anyone asks why Centerville has a big stadium, here's why!
hosting 4 playoff games is lucrative!Meanwhile, the Cobras make $675k from tickets and just over $105k from concessions.

Ugh.

[Estes]

The 'Roos made about 2 million in our two playoff games.

[Gooksta]

awesome stuff guys

[TubbyChooChoo]

MAJOR ANNOUNCEMENT

We did it... we finished level one stadium expansion!!! [Plus the first deck!!!]

Huge props to all the Utopian owners who aided in our player entry program helping to raise money for this effort.
Playoff success in the bank account was beyond our expectations as we yielded over $5,000,000.
Combined with the new loan program the above made our our new stadium possible.
I can't wait to suit up and play in it!



http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/2064/glblegendaryfieldtm6.jpg

[JeffHCross]

Utopia Legendz Legendary Satdium? ;)

Congrats on the upgrades, Tubby.

[Estes]

MAJOR ANNOUNCEMENT

We did it... we finished level one stadium expansion!!! [Plus the first deck!!!]

Huge props to all the Utopian owners who aided in our player entry program helping to raise money for this effort.
Playoff success in the bank account was beyond our expectations as we yielded over $5,000,000.
Combined with the new loan program the above made our our new stadium possible.
I can't wait to suit up and play in it!

Yeah. That SOB should be called JeffHCross Field at Estes Stadium with as much money as I put into it (I'm assuming the Cobras gave a lot too). :p

[JeffHCross]

Yeah. That SOB should be called JeffHCross CSG Field at Estes Stadium with as much money as I put into itI'll just refer you to this post (http://www.ncaastrategies.com/utopia/showthread.php?p=1594970#post1594970) ... and the backlash that happened last time such a comment was made. :D

[Estes]

I'll just refer you to this post (http://www.ncaastrategies.com/utopia/showthread.php?p=1594970#post1594970) ... and the backlash that happened last time such a comment was made. :D

Eh, I included this: :p . So he should know I was just kidding.

[TubbyChooChoo]

Yeah. That SOB should be called JeffHCross Field at Estes Stadium with as much money as I put into it (I'm assuming the Cobras gave a lot too). :p

Seriously...
The big thing was the playoffs. We probably made $2 million for trades to Utop teams and other various trades I made throughout the year.
The loan and playoffs gave us $6.5 million. However the Utop combined effort was huge.

However it may not be enough...that cheating bastard Tim Harper is at it again .....killing another team for players. Ruining the game!

[JeffHCross]

There are always going to be cheaters/ruiners.

[Estes]

There are always going to be cheaters/ruiners.

But he's a mod so it makes it even sadder.

[TubbyChooChoo]

But he's a mod so it makes it even sadder.

Yes it's hilarious...if someone complains about him over there he just closes the thread. All the alphas and mods stick up for each other...they should have just made their own league apart from GLB.

[JeffHCross]

But he's a mod so it makes it even sadder.Not to me. Then again, I play EVE Online, in which a developer of the game was involved in 'cheating' to the benefit of one in-game faction.

Personally, Tim's actions don't influence me. I'm not playing against him in my league, but with the prevalence of money in this game (and the ability to get around paying high salaries by colluding with other players), I just don't see the harm. In the big picture, that is.

Obviously it's not the way to play the game. But I also think GLB forum-goers have a tendency to blow a situation out of the water.

[TubbyChooChoo]

Based on what we are doing we had a chance to upset them...small but a chance. With the mega trade he's doing tonight...we now officially can't win the USA Pro League and unless we bring in a bunch of higher level guys we never will.

Other alpha tester guy have gotten together and made teams as well so Philly is also stacked beyond belief.

This just makes me want to make a college version and do it right so there isn't BS like this.

[JeffHCross]

Thing to keep in mind Tubby is "doing it right" is much more easily said than done. Off the top of my head, there's almost no mechanic that Bort could have put in that would allow things like the Utopia farm system have done while elminating collusion on the level of Tim or the other alphas.

MMOs bring out cheaters. If there's an exploit, people will do it. It's a simple fact of online gaming.

EDIT: I take it back. There are many game mechanics that would not allow Tim to deplete the Stampede down to 14 players on the entire team.

[TubbyChooChoo]

[laugh] [laugh]

[TubbyChooChoo]

The new fan support feature has been added for season 2.
It basically let's you know something about the demographics of your fan base or more importantly..their income level. The idea is to give owners a clue about ticket pricing and what prices your fans can support.

Legends Fan Support Levels:

Low Income: 100
Middle Income: 71
High Income: 31

[JeffHCross]

Cobras:
Low Income: 43
Middle: 13
High: 0

Uht-oh.

EDIT: Tubby, when you purchased the stadium upgrades, were they available again the next time you went to the Construction page? I'm thinking my purchase didn't go through.

[Estes]

Low: 100
Mid: 91
High: 40

:)

[TubbyChooChoo]

Low: 100
Mid: 91
High: 40

:)

Fuckin Aussies love the football!

[JeffHCross]

EDIT: Tubby, when you purchased the stadium upgrades, were they available again the next time you went to the Construction page? I'm thinking my purchase didn't go through.Bump for Tubby.

[TubbyChooChoo]

Bump for Tubby.

No
looks like this...

100 Level Home Left Corner (143-147)
Construction Planned for Off-season (+1840 seats)
Cancel Construction (+$1,000,000)

[TubbyChooChoo]

Construction has been completed on our new stadium for the Uyopian Legends!!!
FleshLight.com Field


http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/2791/season2stadiumulpi5.jpg

By the way...we have the biggest stadium in the USA Pro League...it aint even close... I'm not sure what some of these playoff teams did with their money??? [Besides over pay all their players]. WTF! Yeah for us!

[Estes]

I think we may have the biggest stadium in the game. I can't find a bigger one.

And they probably had to spend their money on pre-madonna players. Utopia doesn't really have to deal with that so we can use our money to help everyone.

[TubbyChooChoo]

I think we may have the biggest stadium in the game. I can't find a bigger one.

And they probably had to spend their money on pre-madonna players. Utopia doesn't really have to deal with that so we can use our money to help everyone.


The NFLUK Wembley guy has a big stadium..I've been talking with him about it. But I bet we are top 3 in the game.... this will payoff down the road I'm sure... level 16 equipment upgrades $10k EACH! that's $60K people!!!

[TubbyChooChoo]

USMC Memorial Stadium home of the Dawgs!!!

http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/5132/usmcstadiumus0.jpg

[Estes]

No they don't. They only have 24,460 seats. Granted some of those are Luxury Suites so they will get more money; but we actually have a bigger stadium than them.

[shakeyjake448]

Nice job with the stadium Tubby. Like you said, this will definitely benefit us down the road.

[TubbyChooChoo]

I did a quick spreadsheet with some estimates.
Assuming we sold out every game with no season ticket discount and never raised ticket prices.

http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/3747/worksheet1glbzq7.gif

[Estes]

[laugh] We sold out on the first day.

$13,535,910.00 Season Ticket Sales

I guess I need to buy some of these extra seats you can get.

[Estes]

I just bought every instant upgrade seat possible bringing our seating capacity up to 15,000+. Now when those sell out (probably first thing in the morning) I'll have a very happy season.

[TubbyChooChoo]

I'm pissed we sold out everything on day one... I was expecting to be able to raise the prices some as we went along ...FUCK! :)

Every freaking ticket got the %15 discount...every seat is a season ticket holder!!

so much for needing a finance guy to monitor that...jeezus!

[Estes]

Buy the extra seats (under the detailed seating tab) and raise those prices. That is what I did.

[JeffHCross]

Every freaking ticket got the %15 discount...every seat is a season ticket holder!! [laugh] You really should have thought about reducing that. I almost did.

[Estes]

Well dang. There was a bug in the season ticket sales which caused it to double so I really only made around 7 million. Still good but those double digit millions looked nice.

[JeffHCross]

FleshLight.com Field [down] [laugh] [down]

[JeffHCross]

Well dang. There was a bug in the season ticket sales which caused it to double so I really only made around 7 million. Still good but those double digit millions looked nice.I'm glad I didn't even look at the sales until after they re-ran it.

[TubbyChooChoo]

I doubt we are going to have the kind of run in the playoffs we had last seaon and all the money that comes with it. As a result I went ahead and bought a few seats for expansion this season...and also put a new section in the que to build for next year. [Just to make sure I don't accidentally spend the money.]

$2.5 million Visitor Upper Deck + 3250 Seats

_______________________________________

Current Cash
$3,726,965.00

Daily Expenses
Daily Salary
$49,780.00 ($1,991,200.00/yr)

[Estes]

I did the same thing Tubby. Added the home upper deck for next year.

[JeffHCross]

Tubby, could you give me GM access for the Legends, with just whatever option includes the Stadium? I want to look at the construction options to plan out the future of The Snake Pit. Unfortunately, I have none of the sections you've built [down]

[TubbyChooChoo]

Tubby, could you give me GM access for the Legends, with just whatever option includes the Stadium? I want to look at the construction options to plan out the future of The Snake Pit. Unfortunately, I have none of the sections you've built [down]

In case others are wondering as well I'll post info here....
If you need something else just ask.

After your two original sideline sections there are...

4 100 Level Corner Sections [$1 mil each] add 1840 seats each
2 100 Level Endzone Sections [$1.5 mil each] add 2760 seats each
2 200 Level Sideline Sections [$2.5 mil each] add 3250 seats each
4 200 Level Corner Sections [$1.5 mil each] add 1950 seats each
2 200 Level Endzone Sections [$1 mil each] add 1300 seats each
2 300 Level Sideline Sections [???] ??? [all 200's must be built]

[Mandibal]

Frankly I'm lost when it comes to the finances part of the team (stadium, concessions and tickets). I tried reading some of the forum stuff about stadiums but I'm still not sure what if anything we should be doing.

Advice needed: re. Stadium expansion/construction and concessions. Thanks.

[Groundskeeper Ca]

Frankly I'm lost when it comes to the finances part of the team (stadium, concessions and tickets). I tried reading some of the forum stuff about stadiums but I'm still not sure what if anything we should be doing.

Advice needed: re. Stadium expansion/construction and concessions. Thanks.

I've looked at the construction stuff a little. Over a 10 year horizon, the lvl 200 sideline seats will net you more cash than any of the other options available to a new owner. The endzone seats are just a tad behind the sideline seats over a ten period, but a better return over five. I used the expected ticket prices to analyze the different options.

The sideline sections also allow you to add club seats and luxury boxes. I read in one of the GLB forums that boxes and club seats will go first, then normal seats. This makes sense as I completely expanded my club seats in the level 100 sideline section and sold out every seat for the season already.

I will probably add one sideline and one endzone after this season. The stadium will look funny, but I don't really care. I want the cash.

[JeffHCross]

In case others are wondering as well I'll post info here....
If you need something else just ask.

After your two original sideline sections there are...Actually, I already knew all those, but thanks. I have access to those since none of them have been built yet ;)

What I was curious about is total # of seats in each of the EZ and Corner sections (not just what comes with the section) and the cost per seat. I know, for example, that Wembley has more seats in some of their sections than the Fleshlight.com stadium does, so I know there are others available.

As well, total # of seats in the 200 Sideline, cost per seat built, plus same for the club & luxury.

I was going to post it here for the others as well, but I figured it'd be easier for me to just get the data I wanted that way.

[TubbyChooChoo]

$412,325.00 Concession Sales From Todays Home Game vs. Bucks

That's $3.2 million over 8 home games.
Hopefully we can squeeze a bit more out of these people.
Two words fans "foam fingers!"
:)

[Mandibal]

What should I be doing to my stadium as a brand new team?

I'm not sure I quite understand the stadium interface (how to expand vs build and what I'm doing where).

If I understand it correctly you can only expand existing stuff during the season and add/build new in the off-season. So should I be expanding, how much and where and how do I go about this. Thanks for the tips and help.

[TubbyChooChoo]

What should I be doing to my stadium as a brand new team?

I'm not sure I quite understand the stadium interface (how to expand vs build and what I'm doing where).

If I understand it correctly you can only expand existing stuff during the season and add/build new in the off-season. So should I be expanding, how much and where and how do I go about this. Thanks for the tips and help.

I do not like expanding sections... it costs too much per seat compared to building new sections. If it looks like you will make and host a playoff game I would expand some, otherwise save your money and buy corner sections first. They bring in more money than end zones and you get great seat/cost value.

When all my sections are built I will expand them all. Otherwise I do very very limited expanding.

You might want to buy some section[s] now so you can see it right there in your bottom line in the finance page. Otherwise if you are like me you might spend that money sitting there. [Legends already bought a $2.5 million upper deck for next year.] You can always cancel the construction and get your money back if you are in financial trouble.

Don't forget you can take out a $1.5 million loan anytime, but it's really great at season's end to build on the stadium.
You can pay it all back and avoid finance charges right at the start of the next season after season ticket sales on day one.

[Mandibal]

I do not like expanding sections... it costs too much per seat compared to building new sections. If it looks like you will make and host a playoff game I would expand some, otherwise save your money and buy corner sections first. They bring in more money than end zones and you get great seat/cost value.

When all my sections are built I will expand them all. Otherwise I do very very limited expanding.

You might want to buy some section[s] now so you can see it right there in your bottom line in the finance page. Otherwise if you are like me you might spend that money sitting there. [Legends already bought a $2.5 million upper deck for next year.] You can always cancel the construction and get your money back if you are in financial trouble.

Don't forget you can take out a $1.5 million loan anytime, but it's really great at season's end to build on the stadium.
You can pay it all back and avoid finance charges right at the start of the next season after season ticket sales on day one.
Ok...I'll look at that. I thought I read on the forums that expanding does pay off though. At the beginning of the season when you have a season ahead, someone was saying it pays off to expand but nearer the end of the season it isn't financially sound to do so.

[JeffHCross]

What I was curious about is total # of seats in each of the EZ and Corner sections (not just what comes with the section) and the cost per seat. I know, for example, that Wembley has more seats in some of their sections than the Fleshlight.com stadium does, so I know there are others available.

As well, total # of seats in the 200 Sideline, cost per seat built, plus same for the club & luxury.Tubby?

At the beginning of the season when you have a season ahead, someone was saying it pays off to expand but nearer the end of the season it isn't financially sound to do so.I can agree with that. When this season started, I had barely built any new seats because I was planning on expanding at the end of last season. We didn't have the money I was expecting, so the section didn't get built.

Well, because of the windfall from the season tickets, I was able to completely expand our existing sections. Not only have I now sold out every game (at more than regular price, actually), but because of the additional fans I'm getting extra in concessions.

[Mandibal]

Tubby?

I can agree with that. When this season started, I had barely built any new seats because I was planning on expanding at the end of last season. We didn't have the money I was expecting, so the section didn't get built.

Well, because of the windfall from the season tickets, I was able to completely expand our existing sections. Not only have I now sold out every game (at more than regular price, actually), but because of the additional fans I'm getting extra in concessions.

I built $150K worth of seats (100 sl and 20 sl club) yesterday and last night sold $160k more in tickets than the day before so I've already made that money back. I went ahead and added another 300 sl and 40 club and I think that is where I'll stop on expansion for this season. I'll probably start to look at construction for next season in a week after I see how we do for the next few games and we pay out some more renegotiated contracts for level 8's.

[TubbyChooChoo]

Corners come with 1840 seats and you can add 660 [all normal seats in these sections] cost to expand is $1000 per seat [10/$10,000].

Endzones come with 2760 seats and you can ad 990 [all normal seats in these sections] cost to expand is $1000 per seat [10/$10,000].

The 200 level Upper Decks come with potentially 4200 normal seats 530 club and 250 luxury suite seats. I forget the exact mix because I bought some. But I remember it doesn't come with many of the expensive ones. Normal are $1000 each, Club are $2500 each and Suite seats are $5000 each.

FYI
My normal seat ticket prices have gone up enough where expanding is actually an in season option for us now. When you combine the concession sales we can do it for sure.

[TubbyChooChoo]

Just purchased some expansion....:)

$-1,770,000.00 Stadium Seat Construction

[JeffHCross]

Okay, so I just did some crude math.

After two seasons:
Building a corner section and expanding it fully still leaves you in the hole by 60k.
Building an endzone section and expanding it fully leaves you in the hole 330k.
200 Level Sidelines? 1.8 mil.

After two seasons:
Building a corner and not expanding the seating at all: +177,600
Endzone: +89,760
200 Level Sideline: -516,000

Of course, this is all going by the Cobras expected ticket prices, according to GLB. And doesn't take into consideration every extra butt is potentially more concession sales.

[JeffHCross]

Caveat:
After 1 season, fully expanded endzone: -860k. Which means the second season made 800k.
Endzones had a 1.1mil profit the second season.
Sidelines had a 2.03mil profit the second season.

[TubbyChooChoo]

$454,929.00 Concession Sales vs Thunder.

We also have 28,860 seats in our stadium after the latest expansion!!
WOOT!

[JeffHCross]

I love that I'm increasing my ticket prices every day, and they're still buying.

[TubbyChooChoo]

Today the Legends went ahead and added 800 more corner seats
[-$800,000]. All other seats have been sold out for the year now.

Current Seats before Construction of the 800 new corner seats tonight:

10,000 Sideline | 100 level | Current Price $95
900 Sideline Club | 100 level | Current Price $199
8000 Corner | 100 level | Current Price $55
5600 Endzone | 100 level | Current Price $45
4200 Sideline | 200 level | Current Price $75
100 Sideline Club | 200 level | Current Price $150
60 Sideline Suite | 200 level | Current Price $400

Total Seats 29,660*

*After 800 corner built tonight.

Current Cash
$1,730,097.00

Daily Salary
$59,424.00 ($2,376,960.00/yr)

[JeffHCross]

Cobras:
Low Income: 43
Middle: 13
High: 0Cobras are up to 73/28/9.

[JeffHCross]

I love that I'm increasing my ticket prices every day, and they're still buying.Bahahaha. I increased prices to $78 (expected is $48), and nearly all of my remaining tickets sold out. Only about 200 remaining for the final game of the season, everything else is sold out.

[Estes]

Low: 100
Mid: 91
High: 40

:)

Mine, since we are updating this, is now 100/99/42.

[TubbyChooChoo]

Fan Support for Legends is 100 | 100 | 57

[JeffHCross]

Tubby, have you done any experimenting with your concession numbers? I tried dropping below the expected last week, and ended up selling less. I'm going try a little experiment with the price for tomorrow's game. Worse case it doesn't work out and I lose out on 200k. Not too bad.

[TubbyChooChoo]

I raised everything 75 cents and added $4 to the jersey price and $1 to foam fingers.... but I added a bunch of seats ....so I'd have to back in and do the match... next win streak I'll mess with them again and watch the numbers.

[JeffHCross]

Alright, so I doubled the expected concession prices and set those for my prices today.

Definitely had fewer sales, but still made the most out of concessions that I have all season.

Gotta find a middle ground somewhere.

[JeffHCross]

Cobras are up to 73/28/9.The poor, they like winning (or maybe they like that I reduced my prices again).

Up to 99/41/16.

[JeffHCross]

Tubby,
I just figured out a little strategy to pay lower contracts.

Right now I think you and I are both following the "pay minimum, but give bonuses for equipment" method (the previous season's Cobras payscale didn't work out in the long run).

What I've done with my players (not all Cobras, but my players) is offer all of them new contracts between level 12 and 14. But I haven't accepted any of them yet. So when I accept it at 16, I'll get the level 12-14 minimum pay, plus the 50k bonus. And from an owner standpoint, I'm not paying the additional ~$500/day between now and then.

What I'm going to try to do this season is give everyone enough that they can train on Normal for most of the season, but give all the bonuses they're likely to get between then and the end of the next year.

Speaking of which, any rumors on the cost of level 24 gear?

[Catch28]

Speaking of which, any rumors on the cost of level 24 gear?

level 8 is 5 times the cost of level 1
level 16 is 5 times the cost of level 8

guessing it might continue on that

[JeffHCross]

guessing it might continue on thatThat'd be 250k total, or 50k a piece.

[TubbyChooChoo]

That'd be 250k total, or 50k a piece.

we need a bigger stadium!!! :D

[JeffHCross]

What I was curious about is total # of seats in each of the EZ and Corner sections (not just what comes with the section) and the cost per seat.Turns out all of that data was made into a Google spreadsheet by another GLB user.

http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pTLj2bA3Ha6tRZr5ZNaLtAw

[JeffHCross]

That'd be 250k total, or 50k a piece.I suck at math.

I was thinking there were 5 pieces of equipment. Since there's four, it's 250k total, but 62.5k apiece.

[JeffHCross]

Awesome.

Expected prices: $48/$115.
Just sold the first round of the playoffs out at $99/$199.

Just made more for one game than I did for season ticket sales (just the Season Ticket sales at the beginning of the season. Still impressive)

[TubbyChooChoo]

sold most of the tickets for the playoff game last night [more tonight]....

I took 2 million of the proceeds and bought both upper endzone sections for next year!!

We already have the visitors upper deck paid for as well. If we win round one we'll get another playoff game and will be able to buy some 200 level corners.

[JeffHCross]

Sell out for Round 2 at $125/$250.

[TubbyChooChoo]

Sell out for Round 2 at $125/$250.

check this out.... sold out the first game and now the second game after some increases.... the current sellout and the ticket prices below:

100 level
$120 sideline
$355 club
$105 corners

200 level
$95 sideline
$175 club
$650 luxury suites

Total sales revenue: $3,431,000.00

I just purchased all four 200 level corners and completed the 200 level for our stadium.. the only thing left are the two 300 level sections that can't be built until next year because the 200's must be in place first. We can now start adding seats to the sections as well.

It took some adjusting and two days to sell out for game one as I tried to rape the fans with high ticket prices. I lowered them and sold out..next game I will certainly bump everything up if we are lucky enough to win.

[TubbyChooChoo]

Bort also threw in this bonus stuff this year:

Making it to round 1 (making it at all): $100k bonus
Making it to round 2: $200k bonus
Making it to round 3: $300k bonus
Making it to championship: $400k bonus

We have earned $300k in bonuses so far...nice.
FleshLights for everyone!!!!

[JeffHCross]

Yep. $600 k for the Cobras so far, well, we'll get 300k more tonight by virtue of our win.

Trying to sell out at 175/300 tonight. Probably won't be able to, but if I drop it back down to 125/250 tomorrow that should sell everything out again.

Expected windfall, plus concessions, would be 2.5mil. Which would give us the ability to build 200 Sideline this offseason.

So, right now, The Snake Pit is expected to be both endzones, both East corners, and the Home 200 Sidelines for next season.

[JeffHCross]

[laugh] Not a single regular ticket sold for the Cobras at $175. But we still managed to sell out the Club seats at $300.

Dropped regular back down to $125 for tonight. Hoping that will sell out.

[JeffHCross]

And never mind. Apparently regular seats didn't sell last night. So I just moved my prices down for nothing.

[Estes]

I just check and the former Legend's stadium is stilll called FleshLight.Com Field. [laugh]

[JeffHCross]

That's sad.

[Ghettoshark]

Dishpan, I need a raise. I can barely afford to do "normal" training.

[Estes]

It would probably be best to PM him on the game.