Containing Option + Scramble + HB to flats

[rhombic21]

Can this be done, and if so, how? I just played a guy and basically he would use motion so that my MLB would get manned up on CJ Spiller on a swing pass. If I came out in a Cover 2 zone, he'd hit me with the triple option up the middle. Also the scramble outside was a problem.

Basically he was coming out in I 3 WR, then motioning the FB (James Davis) out to the right, then having him block. So I couldn't get any pressure with a blitz at all. And then when I tried to play zone, he'd hit me with the fullback up the middle. If I pinched the line down, he'd do the motion again, and Davis would seal off the edge so the QB had an easy run/pass option outside.

I couldn't figure out how to stop it.

This dude was ranked #4 in the game (tayloryoung2110). I ended up losing 50-40 with Hawaii at Clemson, but it was actually 43-40 and I had a fourth down pass dropped late in the game. Then he got a garbage option TD on the next play when I wasn't really paying attention. I also had a fumble earlier in the game after a first down pass that he recovered. So I still had my chances to win the game, but I absolutely could not stop him in the second half.

[seandigs]

i just ran into basically the same thing against someone running with WVU. I contained in the fist half, when he couldn't hit a pass to save his life. Once his QB came alive I gave up like 28 late 3rd\4th quarter points :\

[Fluff E Bunny]

Harsh man. I dunno what to tell you. For me, it is all about mixing it up and showing one thing, while switching it to something else with an audible. Like, when I think a person might run drags on me, I might come out in man to man, show blitz with the LB's, but change them to drop into zone coverage to see if maybe I can sneak a cheap INT.

You might also want to show a 'big' defense but use one of the package subs to get smaller, faster players into the game. Make it look like you are committed to taking away option #1 - FB dive on the triple option to get him to mentally pre-commit to running outside...where your speed will have the advantage.

I am so bad with the stick that this is the kind of crap I am forced to do to stay close to anyone I play. With the stupid 7 second limit, I am also forced to try to do some guesswork ahead of time and hope that what I have set-up is OK, because there isn't enough time for me to bail on it.

But hey, be glad you can score 40. It takes me several games to tally that much. :D


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[rhombic21]

Yeah, it was real difficult. I couldn't get pressure on him with the blitz and I couldn't create very many negative plays against the run. Hawaii's secondary didn't help me out, as they dropped 3 or 4 potential INTs.

[rhombic21]

http://stage6.divx.com/user/rhombic/video/1533252/Hawaii-Clemson

[Iowa Gnome]

It's so funny, you're game encompasses what I think most people are running into online.

Rb flats are always $$ and so are outs when you scramble and let the receiver get a little separation. He was killing you with them.

You on the other hand were killing him with the other thing I find always open. Sitting in the pocket and waiting for cross routes to beat their LB.

I probably would have tried running some contain defenses on him. There are a couple of decent ones in a 5-2 and 4-3. I like the 5-2 version. The Contains have the two ends bouncing outside. I think previous posters said something to the effect of showing one thing and doing and audible to something else.

The nice thing about your opponent is he really mixed it up, so it wasn't like he was cheesing you. But you could see when he needed a money play he went to an out or a swing.

The video doesn't really seem to show a ton of that option you were asking how to stop. You're stick skills are way better then mine. I'm rarely as active as you were on defense.

[rhombic21]

He got a lot of 4 and 5 yard gains off the fullback up the middle. I didn't show it very much in the video, but basically anytime you see 2nd or 3rd and less than 10, he ran some kind of run play up the middle.

I don't think contain defenses would have been a good idea. They are extremely vulnerable to the fullback up the middle, and they don't get pressure on the QB at all unless he rolls out (see his DL against my offense). You can see on that video that he didn't just automatically roll out, but it was more about avoiding the pressure. If I had come with contain, I think he would have just sat in the pocket and had all day to throw.

[OptionMasta]

Sounds like a much smarter player than I.

[bstuff1979]

I've skimmed over and didn't see anyone mention it, but the 30 stack (3-3-5) works fairly well with the qb that refuses to use the pocket and dumps off to the flats after the corner commits to him. Using a straight cover 2 zone, the guy that rolls and passes will almost always hit the flat or the deep sideline patterns. Cover 2 will shut this down much better than anything in man or most other cover 3 or 4's will. The ends should be audibled into qb contain and it does help to use packages that sub in m and w backers in for the ends. As for the fb between the tackles, I've got nothing. But, I've found that it's best to use a bend but don't break mentality on D. They won't run it up the middle every play (and if they do, time to switch defensive sets). When they think they've got you with a playaction to the flats, that's when you end the drive with a pick.

[Borderline PD]

Can this be done, and if so, how? I just played a guy and basically he would use motion so that my MLB would get manned up on CJ Spiller on a swing pass. If I came out in a Cover 2 zone, he'd hit me with the triple option up the middle. Also the scramble outside was a problem.

Basically he was coming out in I 3 WR, then motioning the FB (James Davis) out to the right, then having him block. So I couldn't get any pressure with a blitz at all. And then when I tried to play zone, he'd hit me with the fullback up the middle. If I pinched the line down, he'd do the motion again, and Davis would seal off the edge so the QB had an easy run/pass option outside.

I couldn't figure out how to stop it.

This dude was ranked #4 in the game (tayloryoung2110). I ended up losing 50-40 with Hawaii at Clemson, but it was actually 43-40 and I had a fourth down pass dropped late in the game. Then he got a garbage option TD on the next play when I wasn't really paying attention. I also had a fumble earlier in the game after a first down pass that he recovered. So I still had my chances to win the game, but I absolutely could not stop him in the second half.

He has a great system. Really well designed and thought out. I wouldn't blitz this consistently, or even go man with a zone on the safeties. I would stay in 2 or 3 and make him nickel and dime you the whole way down the field.

Couple suggestions:

1. I'd go cover 2, shift backers to FB, and pinch DL. Control SS to prevent any QB scramble issues.
2. Weak overload blitzes w/ zone coverage behind them.
3. If you have an athletic DE, you may want to shift the DL strong and then move him out another 3 ft or so. If run, he fires the gap between the FB and the tackle. If pass, use him to prevent a rollout and to assist with covering the flat. You'll create off-tackle opportunities, but you'll take him out of his comfort zone and he'll make mistakes.
4. 4-4 cover three is pretty solid if you have the athletes at backer to pull it off.

[Mizzou24]

yeah i am playing a guy that is using no huddle option... extremely gay lol

[SunDevil]

I think this year it's much easier to contain cheesers. It all starts with DE play.

Usually I'll rush outside with the end, if he scrambles, I'll make him scramble to the other side and throw across his body, and make him throw it into coverage.

[SunDevil]

Also try manuallying HOTROUTING your defensive ends to "contain".
Usually they'll stay there until he rolls, and they get a extremely good pass rush then.