Gonzaga to ACC

[BirdMan74]

Before I started my recent Legacy, I replaced Clemson with Gonzaga to see what would happen. To my surprise they are really thriving, being a Elite 8 team every year and having at least an 88 overall rating.Has anyone else tweaked their conferences like this? If so, what were the results like?

[Wooly]

Tweaked Conferences? I realigned the whole damn thing.[laugh]

It took me hours, but I actually made a spreadsheet with every team, sorted them by state, and tried to make conferences that were geographical and ignored talent for the most part. It is awesome!

[WhoUTestin]

Wooly, post the spreadsheet so we can check it out.

[Wooly]

Wooly, post the spreadsheet so we can check it out.

OK, but it make me some enemies when people see what I have done with their favorite team.

[WhoUTestin]

OK, but it make me some enemies when people see what I have done with their favorite team.
Screw them. I just wanna see it. Pm me with it then

[TrickyD]

Tweaked Conferences? I realigned the whole damn thing.[laugh]

It took me hours, but I actually made a spreadsheet with every team, sorted them by state, and tried to make conferences that were geographical and ignored talent for the most part. It is awesome!
If you REALLY wanted to be a nerd, you should do it by latitude and longitude instead of by state.

I bet you could really come up with some awesome placement that way.

[Soonerfan09]

Screw them. I just wanna see it. Pm me with it then
If you wouldn't mind, could you send it to me too.

Thanks.

[Mr. Tennessee]

If you wouldn't mind, could you send it to me too.

Thanks.
Pm me with it if you wouldn't mind

Thanks.

[redandblack]

[laugh] PM me too with it please.

thanks

[Wooly]

Oh, I will am planning on posting it. I was writing up my methodology so to speak, to go with the spreadsheet, but I just ran out of time. I have to go to work right now, so I will have it up in the morning.

[dshban]

Looking forward to it. Of course, you posted in the past, thus presumably it should be up by now. Not trying to be rude, but... it does sound mighty interesting. :)

[Wooly]

Sorry for the delay. Life got hectic for a few days. Here goes...

I always wanted to rearrange the CFB and CBB world, so when this game allowed for custom conferences, I had my chance. This is the world according to Wooly…..if I ran the zoo……..

I have always been a nut about geography, so I decided to change conferences to reflect it. I printed out come blank maps of the US, and started plotting teams, to see where the geography grouped teams for confs. There were several hardspots in doing that, some bias, and several exceptions, but overall, it is a geographic masterpiece. LOL Here are some factors that I considered.
Confounding Factors:
1) Sizes of confs don’t change. Sometimes I had to put teams in conf with teams from other states, in fact most of the time I did. But I did it the best I could to make geography make sense (unless I was being lazy). Sometimes a team was placed that just didn’t make sense, so that 5 others would make sense. There were tradeoffs all over.
2) Names of confs don’t change, and some just scream that they contain certain teams from certain places. In the end, there was only one conf that didn’t make sense, the Mid-Cont.
3) A subtle reality: confs are in greater number in some regions than in others, and sometimes a conf near the border of a region switches over and becomes one for another.The WAC having TX teams, for instance.
4) Just plain old bias. I loved some teams and confs, and couldn’t move them. Others I had to have grouped in a certain conf, like all the Philadelphia teams together. The follwing confs were left alone for a variety of biased reasons: PAC 10, MVC mostly, Ivy League, and I had to leave most of MVC together because I have a soft spot for them too. Also, I started in the West, and finished in the South, Florida to be precise, so those teams made up most of the Ind. Conf.


First, I needed to get SUU (my team) and the other Utah teams into the MWC. The rest of the western confs were shaped by that. Then I just started grouping things. Here is a rundown of each conf in each of the 5 regions.

WEST
I created two CA teams because I liked them (UC Santa Cruz and CS Bakersfield), and that made the necessity of bringing over the Big 12 conf to hold all of the CA teams.

Mountain West - This one was made to have my team, SUU, be with all the other Utah teams. The two teams from NV made sense to include, and NAU was added because they are close to SUU, and they play them a lot.
Big 12 – This is the UC and Cal State systems conf. I thought it was fitting to put them all together. Just imagine all those Blue and Yellow combinations for home and away! LOL
West Coast Conf – I just swapped out the teams needed for the BWC, and added some other CA schools to make this all CA conf. Most of them are private too.
PAC Ten – I left it alone.
Big Sky Conf – When you look at it geographically, this one made a ton of sense. All the NW teams outside of the Pac10 are together here.
Big West – I got that band of teams from the eastern edge of the west all together. They line up nice north to south.

MIDWEST
I had to make more tradeoffs here. I finally decided to include the two Dakota states, and that really made things tough. I finally decided to group all those Midwest states with just a couple of schools altogether. It made it possible to group all the other states better.

CUSA – This is what I was just talking about. I just threw everything from North Dakota to Oklahoma in one big pot. It is probably the conf arrangement I am least proud of, but it just made everything else fit so much better. It is also one ridiculously hard conf relative to the others now, though that was not my intention.
WAC – It was used for western TX teams mostly, making the conf name still apply.
Sun Belt – Well, it’s sunny in TX, and I needed a larger conf to get almost the rest of the TX teams in one conf.
Horizon – This one kept the core area intact well, WI and MI.
Big Ten – All of IL fit in here nice.
MAC – Well, I almost got all of OH in here.
OhioValley –I know, I know, why not all the OH teams in here? Well, I almost did it that way, but in the end I could get 12 of 13 OH teams in the MAC, of which many already were.

NORTHEAST
I decided that the Ivy League had to be left alone, so the rest became very obvious. There were only two real ways to go, and that fact that NY is nicely divided between city and upstate teams, sealed the deal, since I didn’t want all the NE teams in one mega conf like the Big East.

Atlantic 10 – fits the 13 PA teams very nicely. Youngstown OH is right on the border.
Northeastern – Here the upstate NY teams fit great.
American East – Also easy. Northern NE, plus Albany.
Patriot. – CT and RI
Big East – The hardest decision in this region. I decided to put all the NYC teams and all the NJ teams here. I also just had to see Georgetown and GW in a northeastern conf, since they have always been integral to it, and they rounded out the conf nicely…even if they are the anomaly in this region.

MID-ATLANTIC
This was also pretty straight forward. The hard part was how to integrate WV. Also, since VA has 13 teams, they were very easy to group in a 12 team Colonial (and the name works too). The rest flowed from there.

Colonial – All but one VA teams.
ACC - I had to get WV in, and Maryland was the only good way. The numbers worked.
MEAC and MAAC – a combination of getting all the NC teams, and still needing the DE and DC teams.

SOUTHERN
Most of the states have the bulk of their teams in one conf, which was not easy to do.

SWC – a hard conf to make, since I needed to get one last TX and OK team in. But since LA is close, this one worked. The name works traditionally too.
Southern – AR teams needed a partner, and KY was close and the right size.
Southland – Mississipi needed a partner, and the remaining LA teams were perfect.
SEC – All but one TN team.
Big South – All the AL teams.
Atlantic Sun - All the SC teams.
Mid Con – definitely the hardest conf to make. I hated using this name here, but something had to give, and this was the tail end of the process. GA is next to FL, so it works.
Independent – Well, FL was not a priority for me, and they were the last place geographically, so this is how it went down.

Some will notice the absence of Duke and Miami from the teams. I tried to talk to Coach K about it, but I couldn’t understand anything through the profanity and conceit. Maybe next year buddy. WINK, WINK. Miami, well you should have thought about it before you beat my Nebraska Cornhuskers in several bowl games. You go to Hell and Die! LOL

The Excel File is a lot better looking, so open it up. It's an attatchment. But you can see all the confs below too.

WEST
Pac Ten 10
Arizona AZ
Arizona St. AZ
Stanford CA
Cal CA
USC CA
UCLA CA
Oregon OR
Oregon St. OR
Washington WA
Wash St. WA

Big Sky 8
Portland OR
Portland St. OR
Gonzaga WA
E. Wash WA
Idaho ID
Idaho St. ID
Boise St. ID
Montana MT

West Coast 8
Cal Poly CA
Loyola Marymount CA
Pacific CA
Pepperdine CA
San Diego CA
San Francisco CA
Santa Clara CA
St. Mary's CA

Big 12 12
UC Santa Barbara CA
UC Santa Cruz CA
UC Irvine CA
UC Riverside CA
UC Davis CA
San Diego St. CA

CS Fullerton CA
CS Northridge CA
CS Bakersfield CA
Long Beach St. CA
Fresno St. CA
San Jose St. CA

Mountain West 9
BYU UT
SUU UT
Utah UT
Utah St. UT
UVSC UT
Weber St. UT
UNLV NV
Nevada NV
NAU AZ

Big West 8
Air Force CO
Colorado CO
Colorado St. CO
Denver CO
Wyoming WY
Montana St. MT
New Mexico NM
New Mexico St. NM

MIDWEST
WAC 9
Tulsa OK
UTEP TX
Texas Tech TX
Texas St. TX
Baylor TX
UT Arlington TX
North Texas TX
SMU TX
TCU TX

Sun Belt 11
Texas TX
UT San Antonio TX
UT Pan American TX
UT Corpus Christi TX
Texas A&M TX
Prairie View A&M TX
Sam Houston St. TX
SFA TX
Houston TX
Rice TX
Texas Southern TX

CUSA 12
North Dakota St. ND
South Dakota St. SD
Minnesota MN
Iowa IA
Iowa St. IA
Nebraska NE
Kansas KS
Kansas St. KS
Missouri MO
Oklahoma OK
Oklahoma St. OK
Colorado CO

Horizon 9
Marquette WI
WI Green Bay WI
WI Milwaukee WI
Wisconsin WI
Michigan MI
Michigan St. MI
E. Michigan MI
W. Michigan MI
C. Michigan MI

Big Ten 11
Chicago St. IL
DePaul IL
E. Illinois IL
Illinois IL
Illinois Chi. IL
Illinois St. IL
Loyola Chi. IL
Northern Ill. IL
Northwestern IL
Oakland IL
S. Illinois IL
W. Illinois IL

Ohio Valley 11
Ball St. IN
Butler IN
Evansville IN
Indiana IN
Indiana St. IN
IUPUI IN
IUPFW IN
Notre Dame IN
Purdue IN
Valpraiso IN
Detroit MI

MAC 12
EAST
Miami OH OH
Cleveland St. OH
Akron OH
Kent St. OH
Ohio St. OH
Ohio OH

WEST
Toledo OH
Bowling Green OH
Wright St. OH
Dayton OH
Xavier OH
Cincinnati OH

NORTHEAST
Big East 16
Fordham NY
Hofstra NY
LIU Brooklyn NY
Manhattan NY
St. Francis NY NY
St. John's NY
Stony Brook NY
Wagner NY
Monmouth NJ
Rider NJ
Rutgers NJ
Seton Hall NJ
St. Peter's NJ
Fairleigh Dickinson NJ
George Washington DC
Georgetown DC

Northeast 11
Buffalo NY
Canisius NY
Niagra NY
St. Bonaventure NY
Syracuse NY
Binghamton NY
Colgate NY
Siena NY
Marist NY
Army NY
Iona NY

Atlantic Ten 14
Bucknell PA
Drexel PA
Dusquesne PA
La Salle PA
Lafayette PA
Lehigh PA
Penn St. PA
Pittsburgh PA
Robert Morris PA
St. Joseph's PA
St. Francis PA PA
Temple PA
Villanova PA
Youngstown St. OH

Patriot 8
Rhode Island RI
Providence RI
U Conn CT
Hartford CT
Central Conn. CT
Fairfield CT
Quinnipiac CT
Sacred Heart CT

Ivy League 8
Columbia NY
Cornell NY
Penn PA
Princeton NJ
Yale CT
Harvard MA
Dartmouth NH
Brown RI

American East 9
Albany NY
Vermont VT
New Hampshire NH
Maine ME
U Mass MA
Holy Cross MA
Boston College MA
Boston U MA
Northeastern MA

Atlantic Coast 12
Coppin St MD
Hampton MD
Loyola MD MD
Maryland MD
MD Baltimore Co MD
MD Eastern Shore MD
Morgan State MD
Mt. St. Marys MD
Navy MD
Towson MD
West Virginia WV
Marshall WV

Colonial 12
George Mason VA
James Madison VA
Liberty VA
Old Dominion VA
Radford VA
Richmond VA
VA Commonwealth VA
Virginia VA
Virginia Tech VA
VMI VA
William & Mary VA
Longwood VA

MEAC 11
NC A&T NC
NC St. NC
NC Asheville NC
NC Greensboro NC
NC Wilmington NC
North Carolina NC
Norfolk St. NC
American DC
Howard DC
Delaware DE
Delaware St. DE

MAAC 10
Appalachian St. NC
Campbell NC
Charlotte NC
Davidson NC
East Carolina NC
Elon NC
Gardner Webb NC
High Point NC
Wake Forest NC
W. Carolina NC

SOUTHERN
Southwestern 10
Centenary LA
Grambling LA
La Tech LA
UL Monroe LA
UL Lafayette LA
Northwestern St. LA
Nichols St. LA
McNeese St. LA
Lamar LA
Oral Roberts OK
Lamar TX

Southland 11
Southern LA
LSU LA
SE Louisiana LA
Tulane LA
New Orleans LA
Alcorn State MS
Jackson State MS
Miss. Valley St. MS
Mississippi MS
Mississippi St. MS
Southern Miss MS

Southern 11
Ark Pine Bluff AR
Arkansas AR
Arkansas LR AR
Arkansas State AR
Eastern Kentucky KY
Kentucky KY
Louisville KY
Morehead State KY
Murray State KY
Western Kentucky KY
Belmont TN

Southeastern 12
Austin Peay TN
East Tenn. St. TN
Kennesaw TN
Lipscomb TN
Memphis TN
Middle Tenn. St. TN
Tenn. Martin TN
Tennessee TN
Tennessee State TN
Tennessee Tech TN
UT-Chattanooga TN
Vanderbilt TN

Big South 9
Alabama AL
Alabama A&M AL
Alabama State AL
Auburn AL
Birmingham Sou AL
Samford AL
South Alabama AL
Troy AL
UAB AL

Atlantic Sun 11
Char. Southern SC
Clemson SC
Coastal Carolina SC
Coll Of Charltn SC
Furman SC
South Carolina SC
South Carolina St SC
The Citadel SC
Winthrop SC
Wofford SC
Savannah St. SC

Mid Con 9
Georgia GA
Georgia Southern GA
Georgia St GA
Georgia Tech GA
Mercer GA
North Florida FL
Jacksonville FL
Jacksonville St. FL
Stetson FL

Independents 10
Bethune Cookman FL
Central Florida FL
Fla Atlantic FL
Florida FL
Florida A&M FL
Florida Intl FL
Florida State FL
Miami FL
South Florida FL
Hawaii HI
Sacramento St. CA

[Chase56]

you're a badass wooly, however i'm going to make a few adjustments.

[dshban]

Now that is cool. Great job, Wooly.

[Chase56]

i edited for over 2 hours, had it all set perfectly and guess what? after the attributes were set no other screen came up.

[Wooly]

Thanks guys. As it turns out, I messed up a few teams. I think there were 6-7 teams in the wrong state. I am just about done with a new conf realignment that doesn't have any confs kept intact. It's just about straight geography. I will put up that breakdown and a map tonight I hope

[hardcor#2]

can you please post the new breakdown? I'd really like to use it.
or you can PM me.