Hoyas beat Duke

[Noles Fan in MA]

Come on Hoyas!

[Noles Fan in MA]

Hoyas 42
Refs Darlings 28

at the half.

[Kig Skinny]

I am a Georgetown fan and I am not surprised by this. Hopefully we just keep it up. We got to shut down J.J. Redick a bit better though.

[Noles Fan in MA]

I am a Georgetown fan and I am not surprised by this. Hopefully we just keep it up. We got to shut down J.J. Redick a bit better though.

How are the Hoyas doing this year?

Am I mistaken, or does G'town have 6'9 guy who can run the offense as a PG?

[Kig Skinny]

How are the Hoyas doing this year?

Am I mistaken, or does G'town have 6'9 guy who can run the offense as a PG?
We're 11-4. We got beat by UCONN(7),Illinois(10),West Virginia(7)and Vanderbilt by a few at home. The other 3 losses were on the road. Brandon Bowman can run the point at 6'9". He is very versitile.

[Noles Fan in MA]

We're 11-4. We got beat by UCONN(7),Illinois(10),West Virginia(7)and Vanderbilt by a few at home. The other 3 losses were on the road. Brandon Bowman can run the point at 6'9". He is very versitile.

Great, the refs are starting the BS calls vs. G'town.

Reddick not touched, call the foul anyway. No wonder Duke is undefeated, helps when you get 8 players on the floor to 5.

[jobob]

*Yawn*

I'm so glad CFB doesn't have a playoff.

[Noles Fan in MA]

Another sissy ass call for Duke on NeedleDick.

Did I miss the rule change that said looking at NeedleDick wrong is now a foul?

[Noles Fan in MA]

*Yawn*

I'm so glad CFB doesn't have a playoff.

Yeah, instead of seeing good in season matchups we get shit like Alabama v. Utah State.

[Carlbunga2001]

Man, has Duke ever practiced against off ball cuts to the basket? G'Town is scoring at will with that.

[Noles Fan in MA]

Man, has Duke ever practiced against off ball cuts to the basket? G'Town is scoring at will with that.

No, they practice shooting 3's the whole time and learning how to flop and look pathetic to get calls from refs.

The third mythical foul I have seen in 5 minutes of game play.

[OCCoug]

LMAO [laugh][laugh]

it's always the refs with Noles Fan! :D

[LikeWhoa20]

No, they practice shooting 3's the whole time and learning how to flop and look pathetic to get calls from refs.

The third mythical foul I have seen in 5 minutes of game play.
Damn Noles, give Duke a little respect. I don't like 'em either but you gotta respect the program Coach K has there. As for the game, G'Town matches up extremely well with the Dukies. It also helps that Jeff Green is having the best game of his sophomore year against Shelden Williams.

[Noles Fan in MA]

LMAO [laugh][laugh]

it's always the refs with Noles Fan! :D

Have you ever seen a Duke game? They are allowed 8 players on the Court.

[Carlbunga2001]

Man, Duke come tournament time isn't going to go far unless they can improve their inside defense.

[Noles Fan in MA]

Damn Noles, give Duke a little respect. I don't like 'em either but you gotta respect the program Coach K has there.

No you don't. The NCAA gives them much more leeway than any other school. They break a ton of rules and never so much as get investigated. Look at the shit with Corey Maggette, and Chris Duhon's mother. Add to that, they have ESPN's lip more tightly wrapped around their collective dick than Notre Dame does with NBC.

[uobrock]

It was always a matter of time before Duke lost one. It's a very inexperienced team outside of Redick, Williams, and Dockery. I really like this team come tournament time, though. I love watching Duke play.

[Carlbunga2001]

Before you say anything Noles, that was a foul.

[uobrock]

Man, Duke come tournament time isn't going to go far unless they can improve their inside defense.
Whaaa? Let's not overreact here. Sheldon Williams is a great defensive presense inside and McRoberts isn't bad either.

[CollegeF-BallFan]

No you don't. The NCAA gives them much more leeway than any other school. They break a ton of rules and never so much as get investigated. Look at the shit with Corey Maggette, and Chris Duhon's mother. Add to that, they have ESPN's lip more tightly wrapped around their collective dick than Notre Dame does with NBC.

Don't forget Dickie V. He's AWESOME BABY with a CAPITAL A!!!!!! [laugh]

[Carlbunga2001]

Whaaa? Let's not overreact here. Sheldon Williams is a great defensive presense inside and McRoberts isn't bad either.
I don't know, NC State exposed them, and G'Town is killing them with backdoor cuts.

[husker_blitz]

Damn Noles, give Duke a little respect. I don't like 'em either but you gotta respect the program Coach K has there.

No you don't. The NCAA gives them much more leeway than any other school. They break a ton of rules and never so much as get investigated.
What do you expect. Noles supports the college football version of Duke.

[Noles Fan in MA]

Wow, if NeedleDick got hit like that any doubt it would have been a flagrant foul?

[LikeWhoa20]

Whaaa? Let's not overreact here. Sheldon Williams is a great defensive presense inside and McRoberts isn't bad either.
I think you can dispute how good of an on-ball defender Shelden Williams is. He gives up 34 to Marco Killingsworth, 27 to Simmons of NC State, and now Jeff Green is picking him apart today. You can't confuse good off-the-ball help with on-ball defense in the post. I'm not saying that he isn't a solid defender on the ball because he is, but he's not the undisputed best defender in America like everybody says.

[uobrock]

I don't know, NC State exposed them, and G'Town is killing them with backdoor cuts.
Better that they be 'exposed' sooner than later. I'm sure Coach K will work it out with the personnel they have down there.

[uobrock]

I'm not saying that he isn't a solid defender on the ball because he is, but he's not the undisputed best defender in America like everybody says.
I can definitely agree with that...but it's not like he's a below average defender by any means. My point is that there's something that can be done about it with the skill they have down there. I'm sure this will be a point of emphasis going into March. They have plenty of time.

OMG did you see that? The refs just put two minutes on the clock for Duke!!! [glare]

[Noles Fan in MA]

What do you expect. Noles supports the college football version of Duke.

Yeah, because FSU gets even a 1/10th the leeway from the NCAA and Media that Duke does. I am sure Chris Rix and A.J. Nicholson will the first to testify.

As I recall, when Coach K didn't like an investigation a Duke newspaper reporter was doing he got the kid removed. It was when he was trying to expose the fraud that is Duke's Sociology Department, and the disproportionate number of players enrolled in it.

[husker_blitz]

Yeah, because FSU gets even a 1/10th the leeway from the NCAA and Media that Duke does. I am sure Chris Rix and A.J. Nicholson will the first to testify.
Whatever man.
Duke = Free Shoes University

[Carlbunga2001]

Two dumb plays in a row by Paulus.

[Carlbunga2001]

WTF, they can stop the play for a defensive injury?

[Noles Fan in MA]

WTF, they can stop the play for a defensive injury?

I didn't think they could either.

[Noles Fan in MA]

How often do they call the 5 second rule in CBB?

[Noles Fan in MA]

Okay, Meliconi made no play for the ball, by rule isn't that a flagrant foul?

[Carlbunga2001]

They finally defended the back door cut.

[Noles Fan in MA]

They finally defended the back door cut.

Only took 38 minutes.

Anyone else think if Duke saw Air Force in the NCAA's they be in a lot of trouble?

[Noles Fan in MA]

Pathetic by Billy Packer. The one time Duke's dick isn't sucked, point it out. The numerous time G'Town players have been hit in the paint, don't point it out.

I'd love to watch Billy FudgePacker and Dukie Vitalis call a Duke game.

[ryan327]

Does anyone else realize how BAD Duke would be if Williams, Redick, or Paulus ever got hurt for a length of time? They would be terrible. Boykins is a piece of trash and so is McRoberts.

EDIT: Hell, just make that Redick. Those other two aren't that great either. If Redick would ever get hurt, they would lose EVERY game they played with him out, no matter the opponent. Calling John Cheaney.. calling John Cheaney.. ;)

[Carlbunga2001]

Does anyone else realize how BAD Duke would be if Williams, Redick, or Paulus ever got hurt for a length of time? They would be terrible. Boykins is a piece of trash and so is McRoberts.

EDIT: Hell, just make that Redick. Those other two aren't that great either. If Redick would ever get hurt, they would lose EVERY game they played with him out, no matter the opponent. Calling John Cheaney.. calling John Cheaney.. ;)
You could say that about a lot of teams though.

[jobob]

Yeah, instead of seeing good in season matchups we get shit like Alabama v. Utah State.
Yeah, because there are no matchups like that in basketball [laugh] And did you forget Texas-Ohio State/USC-Notre Dame this year?

I was speaking to the fact that the undefeated and #1 team losing is no big deal... or nowhere near as fun or interesting as in football, at least.

[ryan327]

You could say that about a lot of teams though.
I disagree. Have you ever seen Duke's bench? The little white fanboys who never get in. Duke goes maybe 7 deep. Most good teams go 9 or 10.

[Noles Fan in MA]

And despite the best efforts of Duke, the Refs, and CBS Duke loses a game.

GO HOYAS!

[CollegeF-BallFan]

That's what you get for having an overrated freshman running the point!!!

[ryan327]

That's what you get for having an overrated freshman running the point!!!
Seriously. What was that moron doing.

"We need a 3"
"Okay, I'm going to run as fast as I can with the ball and not give it to our best player"

[carolinalax23]

Did anyone else see the wheelchair guy rush the court after the game? What a badass.

[CollegeF-BallFan]

Seriously. What was that moron doing.

"We need a 3"
"Okay, I'm going to run as fast as I can with the ball and not give it to our best player"

Plus he made a lot of errant passes that he never should have taken. I wonder how shitty of a QB he could've made if he stuck with football.

[Carlbunga2001]

Man, how big would a timeout been there?

[Carlbunga2001]

Did anyone else see the wheelchair guy rush the court after the game? What a badass.
I saw two guys fall rushing the court and nearly got trampled.

[ryan327]

True. Still would have had to get up and make the shot though, but it would have got the ball out of Paulus' hands.

And, does anyone believe any fault goes to Shelden or whoever rebounded the missed FT for passing it to Paulus? I think with 6 seconds left, the ball has to go either to Dockery (senior) with the intent of getting it to Redick or just straight to Redick. Just because Paulus is the "point guard" doesn't make him the automatic ball handler.

[husker_blitz]

When was the last time Georgetown had this type of huge win? Has to have been a while.

[Noles Fan in MA]

When was the last time Georgetown had this type of huge win? Has to have been a while.

Back when John Thompson, Jr. and Patrick Ewing were there.

[NittanyLion]

I didn't get to watch it, but I got it on the DVR. I checked out the play-by-play online and after those two free throws toward the end Redick was shut down. I see he missed some, but did Duke just not get the ball to him?

[Chase56]

Lemming has Paulus on the phone wanting him to decommit from Duke to get back into playing Football at ND.

[Kig Skinny]

It's all about GU Baby!!!

[UTlonghornguy]

I do not like Paulus so it is good to see him fail. He gave his best effort to choke away that game and I appreciate it.

[I OU a Beatn]

And despite the best efforts of Duke, the Refs, and CBS Duke loses a game.

GO HOYAS!

Lmfao, you're kidding right? The refs? Whom which missed a blatent foul on the arm of a JJ Redick 3. Whom which called several seemingly ghost fouls. Whom which missed atleast 2 or 3 palming the ball calls on GU. Yeah, the refs did their damnest to make sure we won.

All I have to say is that if we want to go far in the tourny, Paulus has better get his head out of his ass and Williams had better stop letting nobodies push him around like a paperweight. The way we drove the ball time after time and turned it over is just disgusting.

[UTlonghornguy]

Lmfao, you're kidding right? The refs? Whom which missed a blatent foul on the arm of a JJ Redick 3. Whom which called several seemingly ghost fouls. Whom which missed atleast 3 or 4 palming the ball calls. Yeah, the refs did their damnest to make sure we won.

All I have to say is that if we want to go far in the tourny, Paulus has better get his head out of his ass and Williams had better stop letting nobodies push him around like a paperweight. The way we drove the ball time after time and turned it over is just disgusting.

Yeah those same refs who blew the whistle everytime reddick went to the basket whether he was touched or not.

[I OU a Beatn]

Yeah those same refs who blew the whistle everytime reddick went to the basket whether he was touched or not.

Bowman was all over his ass all game. Yes, the fouls should've and were called. You cant rape the guy on his attempt to get to the basket.

[Noles Fan in MA]

Bowman was all over his ass all game. Yes, the fouls should've and were called. You cant rape the guy on his attempt to get to the basket.

Needledick was not even touched on 2 fouls when he drove to the hoop, and when I say not touched, I mean no contact at all. Meanwhile G'town players were getting hammered inside and no calls were made.

[Mr. Tennessee]

congrats to florida for getting the #1 ranking after tonight

[I OU a Beatn]

Needledick was not even touched on 2 fouls when he drove to the hoop, and when I say not touched, I mean no contact at all. Meanwhile G'town players were getting hammered inside and no calls were made.

Kind of like some of those "holding calls" that weren't called on FSU opponents this year? He was mauled on every one of his drives to the hoop. There should've been more fouls if you ask me.

congrats to florida for getting the #1 ranking after tonight

I hope but I think our weak schedule thus far is going to come back and bite us in the ass. We haven't really played anyone and UT has gone out and had some very impressive wins(I can only think of Texas offhand).

[Noles Fan in MA]

Kind of like some of those "holding calls" that weren't called on FSU opponents this year? He was mauled on every one of his drives to the hoop. There should've been more fouls if you ask me.

So the Duke standard of being mauled is not being touched now? Interesting.....

[I OU a Beatn]

So the Duke standard of being mauled is not being touched now? Interesting.....

Go back and tell me exactly when those 2 incidents occured then.

[LikeWhoa20]

First off, HUGE win for the Hoyas. That's their first win over a #1 ranked team since 1985. Congrats to them.

As for Duke, they still need a lot of work with their perimeter defense. Also, we saw our first signs of vulnerability from Greg Paulus. Up until this game, Paulus was unflappable while running the show for the Dukies, but today was a different story. That's an issue that could come back to bite them in the Big Dance later on. J.J. can't do it all by himself.

[UTlonghornguy]

So the Duke standard of being mauled is not being touched now? Interesting.....

I am pretty sure the standard was always that way when it came to duke.

[I OU a Beatn]

First off, HUGE win for the Hoyas. That's their first win over a #1 ranked team since 1985. Congrats to them.

As for Duke, they still need a lot of work with their perimeter defense. Also, we saw our first signs of vulnerability from Greg Paulus. Up until this game, Paulus was unflappable while running the show for the Dukies, but today was a different story. That's an issue that could come back to bite them in the Big Dance later on. J.J. can't do it all by himself.

I couldn't agree more. Great game by GU, and great plan with all the backdoor cuts. Paulus learned a lesson though, and that will suit him better for the future. Really not worried, but Williams needs to play like the All-American that he is,

I am pretty sure the standard was always that way when it came to duke.

Lmfao, I have nothing to say to you but 97-66.[smile]

[UTlonghornguy]

I couldn't agree more. Great game by GU, and great plan with all the backdoor cuts. Paulus learned a lesson though, and that will suit him better for the future. Really not worried, but Williams needs to play like the All-American that he is,



Lmfao, I have nothing to say to you but 97-66.[smile]

I have no sour grapes and I know Duke is better than texas.

But Reddick got every call in that game, which is why he has become "so good" inside the arc.

[I OU a Beatn]

I have no sour grapes and I know Duke is better than texas.

But Reddick got every call in that game, which is why he has become "so good" inside the arc.

I honestly didn't see any given calls. If you could point out any specific calls then I will gladly go back and look and correct myself if I'm wrong. During the game, however, I saw nothing that I would consider a horrible call. Especially, in Nolesfan opinion, Redick not even being touched on a few of them.

[Mr. Tennessee]

When the hell did we have all these Georgetown fans on here? [rock]

[UTlonghornguy]

I honestly didn't see any given calls. If you could point out any specific calls then I will gladly go back and look and correct myself if I'm wrong. During the game, however, I saw nothing that I would consider a horrible call. Especially, in Nolesfan opinion, Redick not even being touched on a few of them.

On one drive he didnt get touched. On another he got touched on the elbow with a hand. Those are the main ones that come to mind. Everytime Reddick enters the paint and shoots he throws his head back and yells as if he has been shot. And the refs blow the whistle 90% of the time.

Do you think his quick dribble penetration creates these fouls?

[I OU a Beatn]

On one drive he didnt get touched. On another he got touched on the elbow with a hand. Those are the main ones that come to mind. Everytime Reddick enters the pain and shoots he throws his head back and yells as if he has been shot. And the refs blow the whistle 90% of the time.

Do you think his quick dribble penetration creates these fouls?

No, because I dont consider him quick, lmao. I think the only one I saw that might be questionable is on that breakaway 3 point play. I saw very little contact if any, but that happens alot of time because of a bad viewing angle by the refs. However, Redick WAS hacked on the elbow on that key 3 that wasn't called. It all evens out IMO.

GU deserved to win, no doubt, but I don't think you can say that Duke was only in the game because the refs called a bad game and tried to give Duke the game. Of course, that was Nolesfan saying that, not you.

[carolinalax23]

I bet this will further deter Duke from scheduling away games next season.

[Kig Skinny]

Bowman was all over his ass all game. Yes, the fouls should've and were called. You cant rape the guy on his attempt to get to the basket.
Redick hooked Brandon all game long and should have been called for a few offensive fouls.

[I OU a Beatn]

Redick hooked Brandon all game long and should have been called for a few offensive fouls.

Everyone gets away with that. You will find VERY few refs that will call it on a consistant basis.

[Kig Skinny]

When the hell did we have all these Georgetown fans on here? [rock]
I probably am the only Hoya fan but everybody wants Duke to lose. Simply because they're Duke.

[Kig Skinny]

Everyone gets away with that. You will find VERY few refs that will call it on a consistant basis.
I agree they don't call it but it is still a foul that J.J. kept getting away with.

[I OU a Beatn]

I agree they don't call it but it is still a foul that J.J. kept getting away with.

I agree, but if they call it on him they have to do it with everyone. They even teach us the little swim move(where you put your off ball hand right on the defender's hip and use it as leverage, which is a foul) in high school basketball and no one ever calls it. I'd love to see it called more, but I doubt it will happen.

[Wosco]

They even teach us the little swim move(where you put your off ball hand right on the defender's hip and use it as leverage, which is a foul) in high school basketball and no one ever calls it.

So you're saying that it's not the refs who are biased. It's Coach K teaching his players how to cheat the rules by hiding fouls and flopping properly? I think it's a good theory. It would be insane to believe that every set of refs that officiates a Duke game is biased.

[I OU a Beatn]

So you're saying that it's not the refs who are biased. It's Coach K teaching his players how to cheat the rules by hiding fouls and flopping properly? I think it's a good theory. It would be insane to believe that every set of refs that officiates a Duke game is biased.

I'd say the majority of coaches, if not all of them, teach their players how to do it. Michael Jordan was exceptional at doing it and made a career out of it. A lot of people argue that it doesn't really give the offensive player an advantage and I'll be the first to say that it does. Do I personally do it? Yes. Does every other basketball player in America do it? Most certainly. Some refs call it, some dont. Some are iffy and only call it sometimes. I think everyone needs to get together and either allow it, or make it illegal completely.

[CJ_24]

When was the last time Georgetown had this type of huge win? Has to have been a while.
didn't they win the Big East Tourny in Iverson's last year as a Hoya?

[Noles Fan in MA]

didn't they win the Big East Tourny in Iverson's last year as a Hoya?

No, Ray Allen went off in the final minute and UConn won it.

They did go to the Elite 8, where they loss to UMass.

[doh]

[laugh]

Up yours Paulus for turning down your hometown Orange to start at QB/PG for Puke.

and fuck you Georgetown for not coming to San Jose after you promised a home/home in basketball.

[Wosco]

I'd say the majority of coaches, if not all of them, teach their players how to do it. Michael Jordan was exceptional at doing it and made a career out of it. A lot of people argue that it doesn't really give the offensive player an advantage and I'll be the first to say that it does. Do I personally do it? Yes. Does every other basketball player in America do it? Most certainly. Some refs call it, some dont. Some are iffy and only call it sometimes. I think everyone needs to get together and either allow it, or make it illegal completely.

No, I don't care about your high school basketball move. Or are you saying your little move can be attributed to every botched call in basketball?

[I OU a Beatn]

No, I don't care about your high school basketball move. Or are you saying your little move can be attributed to every botched call in basketball?

It's not "my little move," everyone does it. If you ever played basketball you'd know this. They do it because it gives you a huge advantage to shake your defender and get to the basket, and the refs dont call it even though it is a foul.

[Chase56]

If Florida gets a #1 seed this year, they have a great shot of being the 1st #1 seed to go out in round 1.

[rabidawg900]

Fuck Duke!!!!

They Lost Me Much Dolares!!!

[swlpack]

Not too surprised by this loss really. Duke has had a few near misses this year (VT most notably) and NCSU and Clemson have both played them close until the last few minutes. They were bound to lose, especially on the road, at some point.

[Noles Fan in MA]

If Florida gets a #1 seed this year, they have a great shot of being the 1st #1 seed to go out in round 1.

I doubt it, Duke would be more likely if they faced a team who runs the Princeton offense.

[swlpack]

^ Call it now. Duke and WVU in the same bracket.

[I OU a Beatn]

I doubt it, Duke would be more likely if they faced a team who runs the Princeton offense.

True. We cant stop dribble penetration or a backdoor cut to save our lives.

[Kig Skinny]

No, Ray Allen went off in the final minute and UConn won it.

They did go to the Elite 8, where they loss to UMass.
Loss is an understatement. UMASS kicked the shit outta us. Victor Page talked so much smack before the game and ended up with 2 points or so. We had an amazing team that year but just didn't show up against UMASS.

[volniac]

congrats to florida for getting the #1 ranking after tonight

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Fuck that.

[husker_blitz]

I love it all three unbeatens heading into today all lost. [laugh]

[ryan327]

congrats to florida for getting the #1 ranking after tonight
Haha spoke to soon it seems.