Pat Summitt=Emmitt Smith

[bcthomas]

She may not be the greatest coach ever, but her record speaks for itself.

900 wins is ridiculous.

You may not take her over a Coach K or Tubby or Roy, but noone can write off what she has accomplished.

[CJ_24]

impressive, but its still girls basketball.

[bcthomas]

impressive, but its still girls basketball.


that is why I made the Emmitt Smith comparison.

He is not the best running back ever, but his career is still damned impressive, that is the same way I look at Summitt.

[Noles Fan in MA]

that is why I made the Emmitt Smith comparison.

He is not the best running back ever, but his career is still damned impressive, that is the same way I look at Summitt.

No, Smith had his career vs. real competition.

[LikeWhoa20]

Well considering she is only 53 years old, just think of how many wins she will have by the time she retires. She could reach 1,200 wins by the time she is 65.

[Mr. Tennessee]

No, Smith had his career vs. real competition.
Oh im sure you could go coach women's basketball and win 900 wins and seven national titles. When you do come back and tell me how you did it.

[Noles Fan in MA]

Oh im sure you could go coach women's basketball and win 900 wins too and seven national titles. When you do come back and tell me how you did it.

With the lack of competition, give me UConn or Tennessee and I like my chances.

[lexlucid]

This is silly.

[CJ_24]

No, Smith had his career vs. real competition.
take away that offensive line and he's maybe Curtis Martin. maybe

[BigShan05]

she looks like a man.

[Wufpack]

I want her to coach men's basketball for the hell of it, at some small program. She's only 53, so I mean she's got time. Only beef is that E!SPN would make it some phony reality show like the Butkus shit.

[NDstud21]

I want her to coach men's basketball for the hell of it, at some small program. She's only 53, so I mean she's got time. Only beef is that E!SPN would make it some phony reality show like the Butkus shit.

Hahaha that idea struck me as hilarious...

[goblue96]

With the lack of competition, give me UConn or Tennessee and I like my chances.

With lack of competition in the 60s and early 70s, give me UCLA and I like my chances and yet John Wooden is a great coach.

[jobob]

With lack of competition in the 60s and early 70s, give me UCLA and I like my chances and yet John Wooden is a great coach.
Don't bother, he just says things like that to stir people up. He knows what an asinine comment it was.

[Cory]

Don't bother, he just says things like that to stir people up. He knows what an asinine comment it was.
Give me FSU's teams and hell, I can win as much as Bobby Bowden.

[LoveyPSU]

I want her to coach men's basketball for the hell of it, at some small program. She's only 53, so I mean she's got time. Only beef is that E!SPN would make it some phony reality show like the Butkus shit.
I actually think she could do well at a mid-level D1 program. I don't think she'd survive at a Dook, UNC, UCLA, Kansas, etc., but I think she is a great coach. Once people got over their macho-ness and just listened to her and learned from her, she'd have a special program.

Here's a thought, I'd have absolutely no problem with her coaching the PSU men's team. Hell, I've actually said that I wouldn't mind Rene Portland (current women's coach) coaching the men's team.

[Noles Fan in MA]

Don't bother, he just says things like that to stir people up. He knows what an asinine comment it was.

Because Women's College Basketball has the level of a parity that the NFL should strive for and all.

[wolverine318]

Because Women's College Basketball has the level of a parity that the NFL should strive for and all.
And you are on par with Pat Summit. Keep smoking your grass.

[gesvol]

With the lack of competition, give me UConn or Tennessee and I like my chances.

Um, UConn and Tennessee didn't just magically build themselves and then handed itself over to Geno or Pat. Pat Summit wasn't just handed a top notch team that she just manage to keep on the right track. Pat Summit made Tennessee women's basketball. If you want a fair comparison, how about we just give you Florida State and you go make them the next Tennessee or UConn.

[Noles Fan in MA]

Um, UConn and Tennessee didn't just magically build themselves and then handed itself over to Geno or Pat. Pat Summit wasn't just handed a top notch team that she just manage to keep on the right track. Pat Summit made Tennessee women's basketball. If you want a fair comparison, how about we just give you Florida State and you go make them the next Tennessee or UConn.

If I were to completely dedicate my life to it, I bet I could. Then again, I pretty much believe I could anything I really set my mind do, except becoming an Engineer.

[UMCanes50]

It is impressive, but it made me mad how everyone made a big deal of her "passing" dean smith. What she did IS impressive, but not on par with smith. There isnt much parity in womens basketball, especially in the past (it is better now than it used to be), so a large % of her wins are allmost automatic. Also many of the best coaches coach men's, so she is not allways up against coaching as difficult as men's coaches are.

Whatever her final reccord is, it will NEVER be broken by anybody. She started when she was like 24 or 25. Even in women's (except maybe at a crappy school that is hard to get many wins at) you cant get hired that young these days.


I think she is a good basketball coach, and that she could be at least allright if not better in men's (if the players took her seriously), but i dont think people should compare her accomplishments to men's coaches or vice versa.

[husker_blitz]

It is impressive, but it made me mad how everyone made a big deal of her "passing" dean smith. What she did IS impressive, but not on par with smith. There isnt much parity in womens basketball, especially in the past (it is better now than it used to be), so a large % of her wins are allmost automatic.
The same could be said for Bobby Bowden feasting upon a crappy ACC team for years, harvesting a lot of wins against less than spectacular teams.

[Hollywood]

It is impressive, but it made me mad how everyone made a big deal of her "passing" dean smith. What she did IS impressive, but not on par with smith.

Agreed. That was fucking stupid....yes, they're both college basketball coaches, but that's it. They're coaching in (IMO) two different "leagues", and to compare the two, apples for apples, is incredibly retarded. It's like comparing NFL and college football in the same manner...people would dismiss you as a fucking lunatic if you said something like "Don Shula isn't that great because he only had one undefeated season....look at all the college coaches that did it."

[Irishman]

..."Don Shula isn't that great because he only had one undefeated season....look at all the college coaches that did it."Like Urban Meyer! [laugh]

[PackFan]

The same could be said for Bobby Bowden feasting upon a crappy ACC team for years, harvesting a lot of wins against less than spectacular teams.

I agree and was thinking about this, this morning. How many wins does Bowden have against the crap of the ACC.

[husker_blitz]

Agreed. That was fucking stupid....yes, they're both college basketball coaches, but that's it. They're coaching in (IMO) two different "leagues", and to compare the two, apples for apples, is incredibly retarded."
So in essence, you're saying that Eddie Robinson isn't as good of a coach than Bobby Bowden because he coached Division I-AA? That sort of thing?

[Wufpack]

I actually think she could do well at a mid-level D1 program. I don't think she'd survive at a Dook, UNC, UCLA, Kansas, etc., but I think she is a great coach. Once people got over their macho-ness and just listened to her and learned from her, she'd have a special program.

Here's a thought, I'd have absolutely no problem with her coaching the PSU men's team. Hell, I've actually said that I wouldn't mind Rene Portland (current women's coach) coaching the men's team.

When I said that, I WAS being serious. I think Pat Summitt, to prove she's a truly great coach, coach at the men's level. Of course not a big program to start off with, but work your way up.

I wouldn't mind seeing Geno Auriemma do this as well, although he's a man, so I guess it wouldn't as crazy as it seems.

[husker_blitz]

When I said that, I WAS being serious. I think Pat Summitt, to prove she's a truly great coach, coach at the men's level. Of course not a big program to start off with, but work your way up.

I wouldn't mind seeing Geno Auriemma do this as well, although he's a man, so I guess it wouldn't as crazy as it seems.
But why would they want to? Both those coaches have it made and are already Hall of Famers. They really have nothing to prove to anybody.

[Wufpack]

But why would they want to? Both those coaches have it made and are already Hall of Famers. They really have nothing to prove to anybody.

Watch a women's game that's not 1 vs. 2: It's dead. You know why Connecticut and Tennesee play every year? Tennesee-Duke?

It seems like all women's games are blowouts. The ones that give a damn anyway. Proving you can win when the stakes are so high that 3/4 the fucking is empty, is proving not much. Sure, with such a Tennesee program, averaging 14,000 a game for woman is good. But that's 14,000/24,000. Duke is like 5,800/9,000, and others. Kay Yow got pissed at NCSU fans because one year NCSU wanted to set up for "the Big event" (a big screen tv is set up for a live audience and the band and cheerleaders to cheer on the wolfpack on the road against one of our tobacco road rivals, this year it was Duke) they came early to set it up and Yow was practicing, she saw the output of the big screen showing of the men's game and it was bigger than the woman's basketball game itself.

[husker_blitz]

Watch a women's game that's not 1 vs. 2: It's dead. You know why Connecticut and Tennesee play every year? Tennesee-Duke?

It seems like all women's games are blowouts. The ones that give a damn anyway. Proving you can win when the stakes are so high that 3/4 the fucking is empty, is proving not much.
True, but you have to consider why the women's game is like that. Since you have two great coaching talents, all the top players line up to play at those schools. The men's game is more diversified, one because of the sheer number of males playing the sport and 2, coaches normally do not have the time to establish a program before they are booted out the door. Coach K and some others are the exception and there are more men's coaches that are on even par with each other.

[jeremy7679]

I'm a Vol fan, but I can't really stand women's athletics. I am somewhat impressed by what Summitt has been able to do, but I just find it very difficult to care.

[GatorTD8to10]

Theres acouple of things I have thoughts on in this situation.

#1.. Pat Summitt shouldnt be mentioned in the coaching brethen of Dean Smith, Bob Knight, John Wooden, ect. unless you are comparing them by their respective sports.

#2.. Womens athletics arent exactly full of parity. But you do have to give Summitt some credit for working Tenneseee into the squad they are now. She was not handed the keys to a top-class program, she built it.

#3.. She was offered the job at 22 years of age. Thats pretty fucking amazing that she started her job just a year older than her oldest player and is what shes become today. On the other hand of that, shes got a huge heads up on mens coaches (at least of today's age) in that NO mens program will ever hire someone that young.

[LikeWhoa20]

Theres acouple of things I have thoughts on in this situation.

#1.. Pat Summitt shouldnt be mentioned in the coaching brethen of Dean Smith, Bob Knight, John Wooden, ect. unless you are comparing them by their respective sports.

#2.. Womens athletics arent exactly full of parity. But you do have to give Summitt some credit for working Tenneseee into the squad they are now. She was not handed the keys to a top-class program, she built it.

#3.. She was offered the job at 22 years of age. Thats pretty fucking amazing that she started her job just a year older than her oldest player and is what shes become today. On the other hand of that, shes got a huge heads up on mens coaches (at least of today's age) in that NO mens program will ever hire someone that young.
Only coach I know that was hired at a younger age was Bobby Knight, who was first hired at 21. Dane Fife right now is the youngest men's D-1 head coach, and I believe he is only 24 or 25.

[Noles Fan in MA]

Only coach I know that was hired at a younger age was Bobby Knight, who was first hired at 21. Dane Fife right now is the youngest men's D-1 head coach, and I believe he is only 24 or 25.

Where does he coach?

[bcthomas]

Where does he coach?

IPFW

Indiana-Purdue Fort Wayne.

It is actually quite a nice little school. And why they are not well known they do have some pretty good boosters who have made sure they have really nice facilities.

[jobob]

I'm going to start banning people for calling other people "incompetant"... pretty much because I love irony.

[Spurs&Feathers]

#3.. She was offered the job at 22 years of age. Thats pretty fucking amazing that she started her job just a year older than her oldest player and is what shes become today. On the other hand of that, shes got a huge heads up on mens coaches (at least of today's age) in that NO mens program will ever hire someone that young.
i think the fact that she was handed the job at age 22 says more about the state of women's basketball in the 70's than anything else. tennessee had no idea what she was going to turn into. they just knew they had to have someone coach up the girls team and little patty summit was probably the cheapest option. i have a ton of respect for what she did there... she said before that for the first decade or so she just recruited women that were already on campus since she had no budget and no schollies. it was almost like a club team in those days.

[Mr. Tennessee]

30 straight 20+ wins seasons was accomplished last night when the Tennessee Lady VOLS won 78-63 @ Ole Miss.

[Mr. Tennessee]

And the Lady Vols beat LSU to win the SEC Championship Tourney. Congrats to Summitt. [cool]