ACC Basketball Thread

[Wufpack]

This thread is for ACC games. And goddamn, Virgina and GT is on FSN..ACC games this early!?

I think they shouldn't play this early, teams are still working out the kinks. Wait until either after Christmas or New Year's for ACC play.

VT @ Duke is on later tonight...

[Wufpack]

Duke 74, VT 72, with 15.8 seconds left. VT has the ball

This is at Cameron too!

[Wufpack]

Dammit Gordon, make your freethrows. 74-73 Duke with 11.1. Shelden is at the line.

[Wufpack]

VT 75
DUKE 74!!!!!!

1 SECOND REMAINING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![wow] [wow]

[penn_state_xc]

Yes! Fuck Duke!!!

[penn_state_xc]

And now the home clock operator is working his magic.

[Wufpack]

fuccckk....

What a shot by Dockey though. What a damn shot.

In case you're wondering...Duke 77 VT 75, Dockery with the half-court shot as time expires.

I'm gonna contradict myself. I'm glad ACC hoops is starting early! What a fucking game!

[penn_state_xc]

wtf!!!!!!!!!!

[I OU a Beatn]

Lmfao! Fucking Thank You, Jesus!!!!

[White Chocolate]

REALLLLL CLASSY DUKE FANS!! Nice.

Some of those sons of bitches were talking shit cause we rushed the court when we beat them for the Reg. Season Champ. Douchebags.

FUCK I HATE DUKE.

WC

[Wufpack]

REALLLLL CLASSY DUKE FANS!! Nice.

Some of those sons of bitches were talking shit cause we rushed the court when we beat them for the Reg. Season Champ. Douchebags.

FUCK I HATE DUKE.

WC

Well to be honest, I would've rushed on the floor if we won like that. I'd go fucking bananas.

And VT fans, get your chin up. It took all the luck in the world for Duke to beat you guys on their home floor. It'll get you pumped for the game at Cassell.

[CJ_24]

I.Hate.Duke!

but i hate VT more[cool]

[I OU a Beatn]

REALLLLL CLASSY DUKE FANS!! Nice.

Some of those sons of bitches were talking shit cause we rushed the court when we beat them for the Reg. Season Champ. Douchebags.

FUCK I HATE DUKE.

WC

They just won the game at the buzzer on a half courst heeve. Most people would be pretty excited, too.

[Durant_4_Prez]

#157,942,000 of why I hate Duke. Can't wait for the "likeomg did you see that shot, omg omg omg!!" tomorrow from all of the bandwagoners, good thing Carolina won this weekend.

edit:I'm so pissed I actually got on my mom's shitty ass mac to type this(my keyboard mysteriously stopped working when I got home from basketball the other day). [evil]

[Wufpack]

#157,942,000 of why I hate Duke. Can't wait for the "likeomg did you see that shot, omg omg omg!!" tomorrow from all of the bandwagoners, good thing Carolina won this weekend.

Just bring 'em the "I though Virginia Tech was suppose to suck" scenario.

I wish I could put up with Duke fans this week...Everyone in my school is Carolina.

[White Chocolate]

They just won the game at the buzzer on a half courst heeve. Most people would be pretty excited, too.

THEY GOT OUTPLAYED BY VIRGINIA TECH? Ok. The Hokies.. do they.. do they have a bas.. hm. Lets see. The "down year" Carolina team beats #10 Kentucky, in Kentucky... and you barely see a smile. Duke... gets fuckin' lucky against VT... rush teh court. Hmmm.

WC

Duke Blows.. Im out.

[I OU a Beatn]

THEY GOT OUTPLAYED BY VIRGINIA TECH? Ok. The Hokies.. do they.. do they have a bas.. hm. Lets see. The "down year" Carolina team beats #10 Kentucky, in Kentucky... and you barely see a smile. Duke... gets fuckin' lucky against VT... rush teh court. Hmmm.

WC

Duke Blows.. Im out.

Yeah, they did, and yes, we should've lost. Do you think if they would've won by 1 on let's say a VTech miss at the buzzer, they would've rushed the court? I think not. It was a buzzer beater and I don't care if they beat UNC Greenwhich, it's still a dramatic victory that deserves rushing the court.

[Durant_4_Prez]

Just bring 'em the "I though Virginia Tech was suppose to suck" scenario.

I wish I could put up with Duke fans this week...Everyone in my school is Carolina.

I probably won't even bring it up unless they start talking about it, and even the whole "Vtech was supposed suck" scenario won't discourage these turds.

[carolinalax23]

I can't believe Duke rushed the court after a victory over VIRGINIA TECH and then danced around like they won the national championship.

[Wufpack]

[laugh]

They showed Krysewski highlight video with Nelly in the background [laugh]

Damn, if Duke didn't make that shot, I wonder if they would show this interview sucking up to him.

[Wufpack]

Yeah, they did, and yes, we should've lost. Do you think if they would've won by 1 on let's say a VTech miss at the buzzer, they would've rushed the court? I think not. It was a buzzer beater and I don't care if they beat UNC Greenwhich, it's still a dramatic victory that deserves rushing the court.

You're from Pennsylvannia, fan of Florida, and bandwagoner of Duke?

[Wufpack]

I probably won't even bring it up unless they start talking about it, and even the whole "Vtech was supposed suck" scenario won't discourage these turds.

I know what you mean. All the fucking Carolina fans at my school either don't know shit and just cheer for them like they know something or are just goddamn arrogant. I can't hold a conversation with them even though I give an unbiased analysis. If I make a good argument about NCSU being > at something than them then they change the subject to something UNC is > than State. Like last year, I talked about the dumbass move by Felton when he didn't even get the shot off. Immediately a guy I try to rationalize with then adds "Well we beat State!!!". I tell him how that even fits into the conversation and he'll answer something like "I hope you guys keep Herb so we can beat you every year"

[Durant_4_Prez]

I was talking to some bandwagoner at school and asked him "Why do you only pull for Duke in basketball?" and the dumbass tells me he likes the football team too (and he's a South Carolina fan). I almost died laughing.

[Wufpack]

I was talking to some bandwagoner at school and asked him "Why do you only pull for Duke in basketball?" and the dumbass tells me he likes the football team too (and he's a South Carolina fan). I almost died laughing.

Haha. Bandwagoners are so damn stupid.

Hell, I've cheered for Duke in football. I mean, they don't play us, and they don't have any arrogant fans to deal with, why the hell not. I was really wishing they could pull off that upset against UNC but I'm not surprised they blew it.

[I OU a Beatn]

You're from Pennsylvannia, fan of Florida, and bandwagoner of Duke?

Lmfao, I really shouldn't have to explain myself, but whatever. I've only lived in PA for about 2 years which I moved to from FLORIDA. My older sister went to Duke and I was constantly around the campus when I was younger when we would visit her and have loved them since.

I also don't know too many bandwagon fans that travel several hundred miles atleast 10 times a year for Duke home games. Do you?

Ahh, and since we're on the subject of bandwagons, mostly from UNC fans, yes I do live in PA. I must say, there are a load of UNC fans up here, especially after they won the NC. [laugh]

[Wufpack]

Lmfao, I really shouldn't have to explain myself, but whatever. I've only lived in PA for about 2 years which I moved to from FLORIDA. My older sister went to Duke and I was constantly around the campus when I was younger when we would visit her and have loved them since.

I also don't know too many bandwagon fans that travel several hundred miles atleast 10 times a year for Duke home games. Do you?

Ahh, and since we're on the subject of bandwagons, mostly from UNC fans, yes I do live in PA. I must say, there are a load of UNC fans up here, especially after they won the NC. [laugh]

Sorry to question you, I was just puzzled.

Haha, you shittin me? I saw motherfuckers wearing Jordan throwbacks in London, England. I was about to kill myself.

[I OU a Beatn]

Sorry to question you, I was just puzzled.

Haha, you shittin me? I saw motherfuckers wearing Jordan throwbacks in London, England. I was about to kill myself.

Ahh, it's horrible. EVERYONE is either a USC fan or a UNC fan. I've seen soo much red and gold along with baby blue and white the past several months, I could puke.[down]

[Chase56]

rushing the court against virginia tech? clearly, duke won't win anything this year.

[carolinalax23]

rushing the court against virginia tech? clearly, duke won't win anything this year.

I love how their rationale was that UNC would have done it to in a similar situation. Oh wait, we beat Gardner-Webb on a buzzer beater earlier this season and weren't toolish enough to rush the court.

[Wufpack]

I love how their rationale was that UNC would have done it to in a similar situation. Oh wait, we beat Gardner-Webb on a buzzer beater earlier this season and weren't toolish enough to rush the court.

That's actually good point. I think UNC didn't want to fuck up their image for doing that.

[I OU a Beatn]

That's actually good point. I think UNC didn't want to fuck up their image for doing that.

How would it ruin their image? It's Duke basketball for God's sakes. They have nothing to prove. Same goes for UNC.

[White Chocolate]

Duke blows. The fans blow.. and I simply hate Duke.

WC

[I OU a Beatn]

Duke blows. The fans blow.. and I simply hate Duke.

WC

...and I hate UNC, but I'm pretty sure that no one cares.

[NDstud21]

Ahh, and since we're on the subject of bandwagons, mostly from UNC fans, yes I do live in PA. I must say, there are a load of UNC fans up here, especially after they won the NC. [laugh]

Not here. Been a Tarheel fan since I was about five. Too bad there's not enough room under "Team" in the profile or I'd be representing.

Oh yeah, I definitely hate Duke as well!!

[Wufpack]

I hate Duke in basketball and UNC in every sport conceivable.

[Durant_4_Prez]

I hate Duke in basketball and UNC in every sport conceivable.

You know Wufpack, hate is a very strong word. In fact, the only really time I pull against State is when they play UNC. Of course I bet that would be different if I lived in North Carolina. ;)

[Wufpack]

You know Wufpack, hate is a very strong word. In fact, the only really time I pull against State is when they play UNC. Of course I bet that would be different if I lived in North Carolina. ;)

Well I guess instead of hate, I can replace it with not cheer for UNC at any sport conceivable. The Duke-UNC basketball games are probably the worst matchups because I don't like either.

[White Chocolate]

...and I hate UNC, but I'm pretty sure that no one cares.

And you're right.

WC

[Tallywood]

Maryland is beaten for the second year in a row by GW in the BB&T. Go Colonials.

[penn_state_xc]

Damn those Colonials! Not a good sign for the Terps getting beat by a couple of opponents at their level: Gonzaga and GW. Albeit, they were on neutral sites but so are NCAA Tourney games.

[Wufpack]

Damn...NCSU plays GW. I'm scared.

[swlpack]

^ I'm not. It is a home game that Herb needs to win, no excuse for him not to. If this team is going to take it to the next level, they need to be 10-1 heading in 2006. That means winning at home against Miami and GW and winning on the road at Bama. I think they can do it.

Can't wait for the Appy State game at Reynolds on Saturday...

[Wufpack]

I have a feeling we'll lose atleast one. Not to mention I wouldn't be able to see the GW game anyway (intersects with bowl game).

[swlpack]

Duke is going to lose some games this year in conference. GT looked horrible against UGA, about the third time they have played bad this season. UVA lost to WCU. BC lost to Michigan State. I'm afraid the ACC is having a down year.

[Fluff E Bunny]

Duke is going to lose some games this year in conference. GT looked horrible against UGA, about the third time they have played bad this season. UVA lost to WCU. BC lost to Michigan State. I'm afraid the ACC is having a down year.

GaTech has looked horrible. On the bright side (for me at least), FSU has looked considerably better so far this year. VT doesn't look too bad either. UNC is a whole lot better than people thought before the season. And we beat the Big10 again. :)

[LikeWhoa20]

Here's how I see the ACC right now:

Meeting expectations
Duke - ranked #1, should win ACC
BC - close loss to Michigan State, but should finish top 3 in ACC
Wake - too much veteran leadership to not finish top 3 in ACC

Odd Teams
Maryland - definitely have the talent to beat anybody, but come out flat too often, losing games that they shouldn't
NC State - winning games, but winning ugly; not sure that will last, but look for top 5 finish

Surpassing Expectations
UNC - can finish top 5 in conference if continue to play like this
Florida State - almost won at Florida, and taking care of business otherwise
Virginia Tech - not a great record, but almost won at Duke; could pull a few upsets in ACC

Below expectations
Miami - look terrible so far; can be attributed to not having Anthony Harris at PG
Georgia Tech - already too many unforgivable losses and dismal performances

In the Cellar
Clemson - haven't really seen them play, but they seem like a bottom 3 finish
Virginia - when you lose at home to Fordham, you know you're in trouble

[swlpack]

Here's how I see the ACC right now:

Meeting expectations
Duke - ranked #1, should win ACC
BC - close loss to Michigan State, but should finish top 3 in ACC
Wake - too much veteran leadership to not finish top 3 in ACC

Odd Teams
Maryland - definitely have the talent to beat anybody, but come out flat too often, losing games that they shouldn't
NC State - winning games, but winning ugly; not sure that will last, but look for top 5 finish

Surpassing Expectations
UNC - can finish top 5 in conference if continue to play like this
Florida State - almost won at Florida, and taking care of business otherwise
Virginia Tech - not a great record, but almost won at Duke; could pull a few upsets in ACC

Below expectations
Miami - look terrible so far; can be attributed to not having Anthony Harris at PG
Georgia Tech - already too many unforgivable losses and dismal performances

In the Cellar
Clemson - haven't really seen them play, but they seem like a bottom 3 finish
Virginia - when you lose at home to Fordham, you know you're in trouble

About right, except I might slide MD and NCSU up and move Wake down to fifth. They are still the emon eacons, because there is no D in Wake Forest, not to mention that without Gray at the shooting guard spot, they are very down-low dependent on offense. That is not to say that it is easy to stop Eric Williams, just an observation.

[Cory]

Virginia - when you lose at home to Fordham, you know you're in trouble
Our leading scoring and best player was injured for that game.

We do suck, though.

[LikeWhoa20]

Our leading scoring and best player was injured for that game.

We do suck, though.
I knew Singletary was out, but still. That was Fordham's first win over an ACC school in 38 years! And they were 1-7 coming into that game!

[GTfan]

Yeah, we pretty much suck. We only beat Tenneessee State by 10 points. I bet that we knock off a highly ranked team this year though. If these young guys are shooting well, good things can happen. They made like 6 straight 3 pointers at the end of the game against Michigan State and were one shot away from winning it.

[Wufpack]

Another great intra-ACC matchup in #6 BC @ #21 Maryland. 54-53 MD right now.

[Wufpack]

Double post, damn.

[Wufpack]

2:21 remaining...MD 65 BC 64...MD at the line after the official timeout.

[OCCoug]

We need to recruit some Fredo fans to this site...

...for me to laugh at...

:D

[Wufpack]

MD 73 BC 71

WTF is up with clock management in the ACC? They need to get their act together.

Well it was 73-71 and Maryland passed it out of bounds to McCray and clock ran, so they had to fix that. Then MD tried to pass it in but it went out of bounds and BC got the ball with 2.2 seconds. Then BC had a shitty pass and Strawberry chased it down and ran out the clock. Very bizarre ending.

[swlpack]

Pretty good early ACC game. Sloppy free-throw shooting, but still entertaining.

[CJ_24]

yay BC lost

[shinsational]

yay BC lost

Welcome to the ACC bitch. Grab a shiv.

[GTfan]

Wow, I didn't realize it, but Jeremis Smith was like 2 assists away from recording a triple-double against Tenneessee State.

[Wufpack]

Wake struggling with DePaul...[rock]

[Keith1212]

Wake struggling with DePaul...[rock]
because there is no D in Wake Forest

:)

[Wufpack]

:)

Pretty much true.

[shinsational]

Please please please take Justin Grey off the ball.

[swlpack]

Weak Florist....coming through big time as usual.

Looking forward to some more Pack hoops tomorrow night. I've been spoiled by Reynolds Coliseum again, the RBC Center just isn't going to compare.

Glad that BC lost as well, welcome to the conference.

[swlpack]

So here are standings through the 14th, figure I would do this weekly or something:

School Conference Overall
Duke 1-0 9-0
Maryland 1-0 7-2
Georgia Tech 1-0 4-3
Clemson 0-0 8-0
NC State 0-0 7-1
Florida State 0-0 5-1
North Carolina 0-0 5-1
Wake Forest 0-0 7-2
Miami 0-0 6-3
Boston College 0-1 6-2
Virginia Tech 0-1 7-3
Virginia 0-1 3-3

[Wufpack]

Clemson is undefeated? That will most definitely change soon.

[swlpack]

^ Well, the hardest team they have played so far is South Carolina, and they aren't exactly world-beaters this year. However, I could see them being a bubble team this year. Hey, maybe they will even break that 0-43 streak in the Nose Dome this year...if they play in Chapel Hill.

[Wosco]

We always start the season nice because of a weak out of conference schedule.

We just barely squeaked it out against Wofford, so I'm not expecting anything great. It's the ACC record that counts, and we all know where we will end up on that list.

[GTfan]

Hell yeah, guess who's tied for 1st in the conference.;)

[OCCoug]

Nice win for Virginia Tech over Stanford tonight, even though Stanford might not end up being a top 25 team.

And why was Brent Musberger announcing this game? [laugh] /random...

[Fluff E Bunny]

FSU struggled a bit last night vs Bowling Green after a long layoff. Did end up winning 71-60 in a game that we would have certainly lost last year.

BG's Samarco went off scoring 27 points, a record for the Coors Classic tournament and yes, almost half of his team's points. In fact, up til the last few seconds of the game, only four BG players had scored at all. We couldn't stop Smarco at all in the first half, and barely contained him in the second.

We outrebounded them and hit an unusually high (for us) 70% from the charity stripe. That won it for us.

[carolinalax23]

I hope someone watched the UNC - Santa Clara game. Me and my friends had risor tickets as I stated in another thread and we were in the 3rd row. We really got into that #41 guys head big time by telling him how we did his mom last night.

[Wufpack]

I hope someone watched the UNC - Santa Clara game. Me and my friends had risor tickets as I stated in another thread and we were in the 3rd row. We really got into that #41 guys head big time by telling him how we did his mom last night.

Yeah, because I'm pretty sure he'd listen to you and your buddies, since you're important. Afterall, you saw Pederson's son working out. That's gotta count for something.

Good win for NCSU tonight. Bennerman played great.

[swlpack]

Good win for the Pack. Bennerman was a best, no doubt, as was Bethel. The refs were horrrrrrrrible, however, didn't really matter, State played solid, kept their heads on and picked up the win. People on PackPride are doing their usual bitching about the offense, but I don't know why. When they run the offense, it works! It's when they get one-on-one or start playing wild that things go wrong. And not once during the game do I remember the shot clock getting under 10 seconds before State took a shot, so no Princeton-like stuff there. Diaz is a best for Miami, no question.

Gotta give some kudos to UVA for hanging with the Zags the other night. They might not make much noise this year, but I can see Leitao (sp?) bringing them back to respectability.

[I OU a Beatn]

Well Duke beat Valparaiso 104-77. Offnese was really impressive, but the defense needs a ton of work. Hopefully when we get Nelson back, some of our defensive issues will be solved. How about the freshman, Paulus? 15 assists sets a Duke record for assists ina single game for a freshman. Redick also scored 30 to go along with Williams' 19. Melchionni set a career high of his own with 18.

[CJ_24]

NIT here we come! overrated is such a fun thing to be[glare].

at this point, with the way it's going, i'll be surprised if we win 12 games this year.[down] . i need a drink

[Wosco]

I hope someone watched the UNC - Santa Clara game. Me and my friends had risor tickets as I stated in another thread and we were in the 3rd row. We really got into that #41 guys head big time by telling him how we did his mom last night.

Classy! Now I know why we aren't and have little chance of being a good basketball school. And I'm fine with that if it requires that sort of behavior. But good on you either way.

[carolinalax23]

Yeah, because I'm pretty sure he'd listen to you and your buddies, since you're important. .

Perhaps because we were in the 2nd row and the only one's yelling at him loud enough that he could hear it and look dejected.

[shinsational]

Perhaps because we were in the 2nd row and the only one's yelling at him loud enough that he could hear it and look dejected.


It was prolly the scoreboard rather than some frat boy telling 41 that he did his mom. I don't think that would have dejected a middle school player.

[shinsational]

Good win for the Pack. Bennerman was a best, no doubt, as was Bethel. The refs were horrrrrrrrible, however, didn't really matter, State played solid, kept their heads on and picked up the win. People on PackPride are doing their usual ing about the offense, but I don't know why. When they run the offense, it works! It's when they get one-on-one or start playing wild that things go wrong. And not once during the game do I remember the shot clock getting under 10 seconds before State took a shot, so no Princeton-like stuff there. Diaz is a best for Miami, no question.

Gotta give some kudos to UVA for hanging with the Zags the other night. They might not make much noise this year, but I can see Leitao (sp?) bringing them back to respectability.


uva just needs some more players. I don't know what Barney Rubble was doing during recruiting the last few years, but it surely wasn't recruiting players, other than Singletary.

[carolinalax23]

It was prolly the scoreboard rather than some frat boy telling 41 that he did his mom. I don't think that would have dejected a middle school player.

Actually it did.

[shinsational]

Actually it did.

Yup.

[shinsational]

Anyone else in the ACC have any other tough (read: tourney contenders) non-confrence games left? I know we've got Bama and G Dub left.

[Wufpack]

Anyone else in the ACC have any other tough (read: tourney contenders) non-confrence games left? I know we've got Bama and G Dub left.

Bama has struggled, but they have already lost many-a games at home this season to Notre Dame and I'm pretty sure someone else, so I'm still a bit nervous about facing them Thursday.

[shinsational]

The Bama game will tell me more about State's basketball team than the G Dub game, that is for sure.

[GTfan]

The biggest games we have left are Air Force and Vanderbilt. And we'll probably lose both of them.

[swlpack]

^ What is going on with the Jackets? Is it just youth and too many defections? Hewitt is a solid coach and recruiter, I'm sure if this year is a disappointment, he will have GT back on solid footing in no time.

[Wufpack]

^ What is going on with the Jackets? Is it just youth and too many defections? Hewitt is a solid coach and recruiter, I'm sure if this year is a disappointment, he will have GT back on solid footing in no time.

Youth. Also I think it has something to do with having great shooting nights and not-so-good shooting nights, kind of like us. They'll become damn good with Dickey and Morrow soon enough.

[Fluff E Bunny]

Went to the FSU-Stetson game last night. FSU started off slow again like they did vs Bowling Green, but came out with a vengeance in the second half.


I'm not prepared to say this team is an ACC contender yet. If they come out with the kind of defensive intensity that they did in the second half last night...they can beat anyone. The problem is they just can't maintain that kind of intensity for a whole 40 minutes (see the UF game).

Alexander Johnson, who lost a lot of weight inthe offseason, is playing a lot better for us than last season. He is much quicker and has really gotten us some impressive steals. He's still putting the ball on the floor instead of just going up strong when he's in the post, though, and that doesn't bode well for ACC play. He's not getting into as much fould trouble as before, so that's a positive.


On a side note, Stetson has a player with one of the best names ever: Chief Kicking Stallion Sims.

[GTfan]

Youth. Also I think it has something to do with having great shooting nights and not-so-good shooting nights, kind of like us. They'll become damn good with Dickey and Morrow soon enough.

Yeah, exactly. We had two players with career highs against Michigan State and we shot like 60% in the second half. And we were one shot away from winning it. And then we turn around and get it handed to us by lowly Georgia. We lost our whole starting lineup from last year. We have one senior and he doesn't even start. Everybody will be back next year and that will be the year.

[shinsational]

^ Who's running the 1 for you guys this year?

[swlpack]

[oops] USC knocks off UNC 74-59 in Los Angeles.

[Durant_4_Prez]

[oops] USC knocks off UNC 74-59 in Los Angeles.

Yeah, the Heels didn't get off the bus for this one. This was an uuuuuuuuugly game. I believe it's inexperience more than anything though, UNC's been playing above expectations so far, with the exception of this game of course.

[carolinalax23]

It's not that big of an "upset" as those Fox Sports announcers made it out to be. They had to say like a thousand times how USC "knocked off" the national champions. Not like any of the top 7 scorers from last year's team are actually on this team or anything.

I also loved how classy USC jumped all around after the game and climbed on top of the scorers table like they just won the national championship when they only beat the #17 team in the country. Learn to win with some class.

[swlpack]

^ Lax, just a hunch, but judging from recent years, I doubt USC beats many Top 25 teams. I know that this team only has one returning player (basically) from the team that won it all last year, but the fact remains that until March UNC is the defending national champs, and that is a double edged sword. It gets the Heels even more publicity, but at the same time everytime they lose it is going to be "And so-and-so knocks off the national champs!!12!LOL!" I think any college basketball fan with a decent amount of knowledge knows that it isn't the same team, but you can't expect much from announcers.

I think this is going to be the kind of season UNC has, with ups (see Kentucky win) and downs like tonight.

[Wufpack]

Not surprised. UNC will be allover the place this year. They'll be in the NCAA though, I think.

[carolinalax23]

The team is decent, they just can't keep it together some times. Reminds me of the Felton/McCants/May freshman team before May got injured.

[OCCoug]

It's not that big of an "upset" as those Fox Sports announcers made it out to be. They had to say like a thousand times how USC "knocked off" the national champions. Not like any of the top 7 scorers from last year's team are actually on this team or anything.

I also loved how classy USC jumped all around after the game and climbed on top of the scorers table like they just won the national championship when they only beat the #17 team in the country. Learn to win with some class.

Um, do you know how BAD USC generally is at basketball? They're like Duke in football. They're terrible. Like, they beat Alaska Anchorage by 1 point and lost to CS Northridge. They're bad. Let them enjoy it.

[LikeWhoa20]

Um, do you know how BAD USC generally is at basketball? They're like Duke in football. They're terrible. Like, they beat Alaska Anchorage by 1 point and lost to CS Northridge. They're bad. Let them enjoy it.
They were good as recently as 5 years ago, and with a coach like Tim Floyd they could be good once again in 2-3 years.

[OCCoug]

They were good as recently as 5 years ago, and with a coach like Tim Floyd they could be good once again in 2-3 years.

Yes, but unfortuantely as the Trojans all those players have graduated and as it stands, they're horrible. :D

[GTfan]

^ Who's running the 1 for you guys this year?
I don't understand your question.

[Durant_4_Prez]

I don't understand your question.

He means the point.

[shinsational]

I don't understand your question.

Yeah, point guard, my bad. Since I started playing school ball in middle school, its been 1-5 as the positions with 1 being the point and five being the center. So, who's replacing Jack?

[GTfan]

o, thats what i figured, but I've never played organized basketball, so i had to make sure. Well our PG is sophmore Zam Frederick. He has done decent. He had a double-double against Michigan State, but he has had a lot of turnovers on his part.

[shinsational]

o, thats what i figured, but I've never played organized basketball, so i had to make sure. Well our PG is sophmore Zam Frederick. He has done decent. He had a double-double against Michigan State, but he has had a lot of turnovers on his part.

A double double by a soph PG against MSU is nothing to sneeze at. Y'all should have some growing pains this year, but be tough next year. I think Hewitt has done an outstanding job down there.

[GTfan]

Our PF, Jeremis Smith, is really steppin it up. He almost had a triple-double against Tennessee State and got a double-double against Jacksonville with 19 points and 13 rebounds.

[GTfan]

o, thats what i figured, but I've never played organized basketball, so i had to make sure. Well our PG is sophmore Zam Frederick. He has done decent. He had a double-double against Michigan State, but he has had a lot of turnovers on his part.

Well, Hewitt has benched Frederick and has freshman Paco Diaw starting at the point now.

[carolinalax23]

These Jefferson Pilot announcers blow dick. They keep calling Byron Sanders the Colonel. Thanks for just making up an arbitrary nickname.

[Wufpack]

These Jefferson Pilot announcers blow dick. They keep calling Byron Sanders the Colonel. Thanks for just making up an arbitrary nickname.


JP!? What!?


Oh nevermind, I guess this is their first game of the season broadcasting. Come ACC time thanks to them every ACC game it'll seem will be televised.

[carolinalax23]

JP!? What!?


Oh nevermind, I guess this is their first game of the season broadcasting. Come ACC time thanks to them every ACC game it'll seem will be televised.

Yes, next week you can see the spectacular matchup of Duke and UNC Greensboro.

[Wufpack]

Yes, next week you can see the spectacular matchup of Duke and UNC Greensboro.

Just a warm-up for ACC action. I thought all of Duke's games were televised on ESPN/ABC/CBS anyway, so it's not a surprise...

[swlpack]

Thursday update of the standings:

School Conference Overall
Duke 1-0 11-0
NC State 1-0 10-1
Maryland 1-0 9-2
Georgia Tech 1-0 6-3
Clemson 0-0 11-1
Florida State 0-0 8-1
Wake Forest 0-0 9-2
North Carolina 0-0 7-2
Boston College 0-1 9-2
Virginia Tech 0-1 9-3
Miami 0-1 7-5
Virginia 0-1 5-4

ACC Top 25 rankings as of 12/29:

AP ESPN
Duke #1 #1
Boston College #13 #13
Maryland #16 #14
NC State #19 #18
Wake Forest #22 #24
North Carolina #23 #25

And scores from the past week:

12/22:
#13 Boston College 89, Harvard 55
#19 NC State 68, Alabama 64
#22 Wake Forest 47, Richmond 40
Georgia Tech 92, Jacksonville 67
#5 Florida 77, Miami 67
Florida State 108, Campbell 73
12/23:
#16 Maryland 81, American 55
Virginia 98, Loyola 59
12/27:
#13 Boston College 81, Duquesne 69
Miami 65, Stetson 56
Virginia Tech 74, William & Mary 64
12/28:
#16 Maryland 68, Delaware State 54
#19 NC State 81, New Hampshire 62
#23 North Carolina 89, UNC-Asheville 47
Virginia 77, UMBC 66
Georgia 72, Clemson 69
Air Force 54, Georgia Tech 46


And finally, seven games to watch in the next seven days:

1. #12 George Washington @ #18 NC State, 12/30 @ 7:00, FSNS
Reason: Top 25 matchup that will show which team is a contender and which a pretender
2. #10 Louisville @ Miami, 12/31 @ 4:00, FSN
Reason: Top-ranked Cardinals face a dangerous Miami team on the road. If Diaz has a big game, look out.
3. Davidson @ #23 North Carolina, 1/3 @ 7:00, FSNS
Reason: The young Heels are hot-and-cold so far this year, and always sneaky Davidson could really give them a challenge.
4. UMass @ #13 Boston College, 1/3 @ 7:00, NESN
Reason: UMass could be the A-10 sleeper this year, and if BC goes to sleep on this in-state rival, look out.
5. Florida State @ Clemson, 1/4 @ 7:00, No TV
Reason: This ACC rivalry has developed mainly because both teams are conference cellar-dwellers. Both have good records from filling up on cupcakes, but this game could determine which will make a run at moving into the middle of the ACC this year.
6. Vanderbilt @ Georgia Tech, 1/3 @ 5:00, FSNS
Reason: GT has been unpredictable this year, so who knows which team will show up. The Commodores have only one loss to Cincy, and they are looking to make another NCAA Tourney appearance after missing the Big Dance last year.
7. Nebraska v. FSU (in Sunrise, FL), 12/31 @ 1:30, FS-FL/NESN
Reason: I just wanted to say Nebrasketball in this thread [laugh] .

[Cory]

Correction: UVA will finish last in the ACC [down]

We do have a solid recruiting class, though.

[GTfan]

Yeah, an 8 point loss to Air Force.[glare]

[Fluff E Bunny]

FSU defeated Nebraska today 74-60. To show you the basketball prowess and storied history of the program...this is the first time in the program the team has gone undefeated in the month of December.

I forgot about the game so I didn't get a chance to listen to it. But us winning a game away from Tallahassee is always tough, so I'm happy with the result. Our full court press appears to be fairly effective so far this year. It is nice to have players wanting to play defense with intensity, unlike Von Wafer.

[Fluff E Bunny]

FSU - Clemson @ Clemson tonight, 7pm in a battle for the bottom.

FSU is something like 1-23 in ACC road games the last three years, so naturally Clemson is favored. This is FSU's second real test this season, first being UF...which was our only loss so far.

I like how we played away from home vs Nebraska, so maybe we'll finally turn our ACC road woes around this year.

[swlpack]

^ The battle for the bottom will be Virginia v. ______, whoever fills in that blank. Clemson or FSU could springboard to an NCAA bubble team this year.

NCSU rolled to 12-1 last night with an 83-52 win over UNC-Greensboro. Kind of a ho-hum game, five players in double figures though. Waiting for Saturday and the showdown in Chapel Hill v. the Holes. This game could define the rest of the season for State, maybe UNC too. Herb needs this win, IMO, to shut up the last of the detractors. It won't be catastrophic if UNC wins, but it will cause a firestorm among the Fire Herb fringe.

[Fluff E Bunny]

So far, FSU is sucking the donkey dick. Feh. [down]

[GTfan]

Bring out the champagne! GT finally beats a decent team with a win over Vandy!:p

[Cory]

UVA actually won an ACC game :o

[Nolesfan2740]

VT@FSU tonight at 7.

[CJ_24]

Miami shoots 63% from downtown and beats the 12th ranked Terrapins 84-70. the 3 headed monster known as Hite, Diaz and Harris score 65 of the teams 84. i still don't think this team has shown enough to make me think that they'll go any further than the 2nd round of the NIT, but after the Peach bowl, i finally have something to hang my hat on untill we play in UNC on the 14th.

[Fluff E Bunny]

VT@FSU tonight at 7.

We're not very good, but we squeeked this one out vs vt.

[Wufpack]

We're not very good, but we squeeked this one out vs vt.

I wish the game was on TV. It may not be a crucial matchup but hey, it's a intra-ACC game. I want to watch all of 'em.

[Longhorn3788]

That windmill dunk by Noel in the first quarter of the NC State game was nuts.

[Wufpack]

That windmill dunk by Noel in the first quarter of the NC State game was nuts.

How was it nuts? No one was guarding him, or even close to him. How is that impressive?

I know you'll say "sour grapes" but seriously, it seems like Carolina always get easy fast break dunks on us and people are amazed. I thought Brackman's dunk was cooler, because he pretty did it over a player.

[Longhorn3788]

How was it nuts? No one was guarding him, or even close to him. How is that impressive?

I know you'll say "sour grapes" but seriously, it seems like Carolina always get easy fast break dunks on us and people are amazed. I thought Brackman's dunk was cooler, because he pretty did it over a player.

I thought they were both cool. Noel's was more flashy but Brackman's was more powerful. Relax though, you know it was cool.

[Wufpack]

I thought they were both cool. Noel's was more flashy but Brackman's was more powerful. Relax though, you know it was cool.

I also thought Byron Sanders' dunk was pretty good. Didn't know he had it in him.

[White Chocolate]

Byron has always had it in him, but he's played behind some talented players. Same with Terry, I always shouted his name to my friends who talked about how our only talent was on the floor, just a matter of time till he hit his stride. Dude has a stroke. Anyway, huge win tonight, I'm happy.

Oh, and Noel was redunkulous.:p

WC

[swlpack]

Good win for the Heels, but like I said, the home team in the ACC in most circumstances is going to win. I was going to be pleasantly surprised if State won this game, they didn't, oh well. I figured this would be a split series this year, with State taking the game in Raleigh, hopefully I will be right about that.

State fans can't dwell on this. They need to move on and realize that if State can go 5-2 thru the stretch of games from the George Washington game to the Wake Forest game, we are in very good shape to finish in the top three in the ACC. So far, 2-1 in that stretch, we need one road win and to hold serve at home, and then it gets a whole lot easier until late Feburary/early March.

[carolinalax23]

Trent Strickland hits Sheldon Williams in the balls on Chris Paul night at Wake Forest.....interesting

[Wufpack]

Trent Strickland hits Sheldon Williams in the balls on Chris Paul night at Wake Forest.....interesting

Ah...the irony. 69-54 Duke. I usually want Duke to lose...but it'd be good for NCSU to come into the Duke with wins @BC and GT and they be undefeated. Obviously, winning at Duke is probably a longshot since we cant win @UNC, but the VT-Duke gave me hope, even though Dockery preserved the perfect season.

[GTfan]

GT over #11 Boston College by 2 points! It was all tied up with about 30 seconds left, but Morrow found Fredrick for an open three to put us up for good. We're 2-0 in the ACC, but I'm sure we will lose the majority of our road games.

[Fluff E Bunny]

GT over #11 Boston College by 2 points! It was all tied up with about 30 seconds left, but Morrow found Fredrick for an open three to put us up for good. We're 2-0 in the ACC, but I'm sure we will lose the majority of our road games.

Sounds like you guys have gotten your shit together. Damn. [down]

[Longhorn3788]

UNC better watch out for Marcus Vick tonight at the Va. Tech game. Who knows what he'll do...

[CJ_24]

welcome to the ACC Boston College. 0-3 to start off Conference play:D

[swlpack]

Yep, State pretty much killed the Eagles tonight. The first half was a little sloppy, but they got it together and played some great ball. Ced Simmons is a real catalyst for this offense and it was good to see him get that many touches tonight. Winning on the road in the ACC is hard, no matter the opponent, so great win for State tonight.

[LikeWhoa20]

welcome to the ACC Boston College. 0-3 to start off Conference play:D
BC is in huge trouble now. No way they contend anymore for the ACC regular season title.

[LoveyPSU]

UMD - Dook tonight. Dook's layin' 14. UMD just got bitched by Miami 'cause they have no PG and Caner-Medley has disappeared against quality opponents. Then again, this scenario has happened before, and UMD has gone to Durham and beaten Dook.

Is it ethical to just root for injuries tonight?

[swlpack]

I love how this the media and Maryland fans portray this as a rivalry. This game is no more a rivalry than say NC State-Georgia Tech or UNC-UVA. It is just another ACC game. It's sad that UMD doesn't have a real rival in basketball, but I know most Duke people put them below UNC, State, and Wake.

As for tonight, maybe the building will just collapse. :p

[LoveyPSU]

They might want to reconsider since it's 6-6 in the last 12 meetings, and UMD has won the last 3 meetings vs. Dook. UMD has beaten Dook at least once per year in 6 straight seasons and 9 of the last 11 seasons (no other school can claim that). I'd say it's a rivalry of the '90's and '00's.

[swlpack]

^ But I think a rivalry means four or five decades of history, not one decade of history. It is no different than the rivalry between NC State and Florida State in football. NC State has beaten FSU 4 times since 1998, and twice in Tallahassee, more than any other ACC team can claim (excluding Miami). I still don't consider that a rivalry on the scale of State and the other three of the Big 4, it is just a nice, competitive series. The media has just chosen to take this game and hype it into a rivalry.

[Fluff E Bunny]

FSU-UVa on right now. Maybe we'll break the streak....[down]

[Wufpack]

FSU-UVa on right now. Maybe we'll break the streak....[down]

What channel? Newspaper said no TV...

[Fluff E Bunny]

What channel? Newspaper said no TV...

No TV, radio + internet

[Wufpack]

66-66 Wake @ Clemson

Headin' into OT...

[Fluff E Bunny]

66-66 Wake @ Clemson

Headin' into OT...

Same for FSU and UVa.

[Fluff E Bunny]

FSU wins in overtime. It took all three of UVA's front court players fouling out to do. God, we suck.

[down]

[Wufpack]

FSU wins in overtime. It took all three of UVA's front court players fouling out to do. God, we suck.

[down]

It beats going 0-3. (BC and VT)

[Fluff E Bunny]

It beats going 0-3. (BC and VT)

True. Hopefully we can cement BC into the cellar in a few days. As it stands though, we barely beat VT and UVa. I dunno if we'll ever turn the corner in this program. I like Hamilton, but I'm almost to the point of saying it is just a lost cause and no coach can help.

Doesn't help the way our dipshit administration handles home tickets. Boosters get exclusive hold of all the seats parallel to the court...but half the boosters that buy tix don't live in Tally and only come to occasional weekend games. We have NO general admission tickets this year either, so if you buy a game day ticket, you're gonna get crap seats, even though there is a sea of empty seats in the good sections.

I don't have a problem with the boosters getting one side, but make the rest GA and the tickets cheap as hell and try to get the seats filled. You aren't gonna build a solid program if you dick over the fans. I didn't buy season tix this year because of all the bullshit (and cause I spent too much on the ACCCG game).

[HowardsRock]

Clemson beats Wake 74-73 in OT

[swlpack]

Wake is hoooorrrrrible this year. They are a two-man team, and Eric Williams has been less-than-stellar so far. The near-miss v. ECU and now a loss to Clemson. Not trying to take anything away from Clemson, but Wake really is not a good team and they might be riding the bubble this year.

In the meantime, Maryland is getting spanked by Duke 45-22. So much for the "rivalry" living up to the hype.

[Wufpack]

Wake is hoooorrrrrible this year. They are a two-man team, and Eric Williams has been less-than-stellar so far. The near-miss v. ECU and now a loss to Clemson. Not trying to take anything away from Clemson, but Wake really is not a good team and they might be riding the bubble this year.

In the meantime, Maryland is getting spanked by Duke 45-22. So much for the "rivalry" living up to the hype.

Duke is really fired up for this one, they realize they've lost 3 straight to Maryland. They lost 3 straight @Wake, they broke that too. Thank god we don't have a streak on Duke, maybe we can keep the game close.

[Longhorn3788]

Duke is really fired up for this one, they realize they've lost 3 straight to Maryland. They lost 3 straight @Wake, they broke that too. Thank god we don't have a streak on Duke, maybe we can keep the game close.

Maryland is committing rediculous turnovers left and right. On top of that, Duke is capitalizing on every single one.

I can't believe Redick hit that three when he got fouled. That was deeeep.

Sooner or later, they have to go cold right?

[Wufpack]

Maryland is committing rediculous turnovers left and right. On top of that, Duke is capitalizing on every single one.

I can't believe Redick hit that three when he got fouled. That was deeeep.

Sooner or later, they have to go cold right?

I dunno. They should've lost to VT, but it seems that was a good wakeup call, even though they won.

[Wosco]

Clemson beats Wake 74-73 in OT

What a great comeback for Wake at the end of the 2nd half. I pretty much threw in the towel after that 18-2 run they made. It looked like typical Clemson 2nd half basketball. Very proud of the boys for regaining their composure after the drought and pulling out the win.

[swlpack]

Sooner or later, they have to go cold right?

I'm thinking at about 7:00 PM next Wednesday night would be as good a time as any :D .

[CJ_24]

i was more stunned by Maryland's crappy play than impressed by Duke. UMD commited stupid TO's (and lots of them), lots of dumb shots, almost no boxing out and didn't get back on D most of the time, i'm surprised the game was as close as it was. UMD needs some one to step up and be a leader on that team or it's gonna be a long here for Terps fans. as far as Duke, very good, very deep, but if they go cold from outside, they're very beatable. as impressive as Williams played (triple double) he still loves to block shots, and if the Terps new what a pump fake was, he would have been in foul trouble. Williams also has a tendency to not want to go left when he's down low, i seen him a couple of times get it, kind of half spin right and do a turn around jumper in the lane, if he would have spun left it would have been an easy left handed lay up. again, i didn't think Duke so much dominated as much as Maryland so much sucked. but i also think that the only type of team that can beat Duke is one with a vetern big man (to get Williams in foul Trouble) and a vetern point guard (a leader, that can control the pace of the game and keep his team from commiting to's that allow for Duke to spend more time on O, which translates into giving Duke more opportunities to get hot). the obvious team that comes to mind is Michigan State (with Ager, Brown and Davis) (who coincidentally beat Duke in the Tourny last year) but Nova is another team that could give Duke Trouble (very good guards than can D up Duke shooters, and play a run-n-gun style game with them).

[swlpack]

Duke can certainly be beaten. They should have lost to Va Tech in Durham. That alone proves they aren't unbeatable.

[I OU a Beatn]

Duke can certainly be beaten. They should have lost to Va Tech in Durham. That alone proves they aren't unbeatable.

Yeah, and that was our wakeup call. Ever since then we've been playing great basketball. Hva e you noticed that the dribble penetration against our D has also stopped?

[swlpack]

Yeah, and that was our wakeup call. Ever since then we've been playing great basketball. Hva e you noticed that the dribble penetration against our D has also stopped?

Great basketball? Last night's game wasn't great really, I think Duke still would have beaten Maryland by 10 or so, but the Terps really beat themselves in a lot of ways. Every team is going to have more than one off-night a year, I just don't see Duke going undefeated the rest of the regular season.

[I OU a Beatn]

Great basketball? Last night's game wasn't great really, I think Duke still would have beaten Maryland by 10 or so, but the Terps really beat themselves in a lot of ways. Every team is going to have more than one off-night a year, I just don't see Duke going undefeated the rest of the regular season.

I'm pretty sure they wont either. The defense has been playing great rescently, which will make them that much harder to beat.

[Wufpack]

I'm thinking at about 7:00 PM next Wednesday night would be as good a time as any :D .

They would be a great time. I could live with the UNC loss with a win such as that.

[LikeWhoa20]

Anybody know the status of Demarcus Nelson? I know he got injured in his return yesterday during the first half. It was scary to see their rotation of players with Nelson back in the mix. Hopefully he is okay and it isn't a repeat of what happened with D.J. White and Indiana.

[swlpack]

They would be a great time. I could live with the UNC loss with a win such as that.

It would be much bigger, IMO, to knock off #1 Duke in Durham than beating UNC in Chapel Hill.

We get another shot at the Heels in Raleigh anyways, but not one with Duke.

[Wosco]

Last night's game wasn't great really

Cmon, didn't you see JJ drain that 3 with a comfortable lead? It must be such a rare occurance that they had to put it on top plays...or maybe it's the Bush/Brady treatment...[down]

[swlpack]

Cmon, didn't you see JJ drain that 3 with a comfortable lead? It must be such a rare occurance that they had to put it on top plays...or maybe it's the Bush/Brady treatment...[down]

Yeah really, what was so sensational about that? Just like all of the ESPN analysts having UNC in their top 10 of their top 16 teams. Ridiculous.

[I OU a Beatn]

Anybody know the status of Demarcus Nelson? I know he got injured in his return yesterday during the first half. It was scary to see their rotation of players with Nelson back in the mix. Hopefully he is okay and it isn't a repeat of what happened with D.J. White and Indiana.

He has a bone bruise on his right ankle and is right now listed as doubful for the Clemson game.

[CJ_24]

no offense to J.J. he's a great college player, but am i the only one who thinks he won't make a great pro?

[LikeWhoa20]

no offense to J.J. he's a great college player, but am i the only one who thinks he won't make a great pro?
Everybody thinks that. But for someone that's as great a shooter as he is, there will always be a place for him in the NBA in at least a Steve Kerr-type role. Also, he has added more to his arsenal in terms of scoring off the dribble in the last year or two. That will help him a lot in the NBA as well. I'm not saying he'll be some great player, but he's one of those guys that can be a good contributor as a role player for a championship team.

[swlpack]

Redick should have a good pro-carerr, IMO, because he isn't one dimensional in his shooting, and he has become more unselfish it seems this year.

[Wosco]

Everybody thinks that. But for someone that's as great a shooter as he is, there will always be a place for him in the NBA in at least a Steve Kerr-type role. Also, he has added more to his arsenal in terms of scoring off the dribble in the last year or two. That will help him a lot in the NBA as well. I'm not saying he'll be some great player, but he's one of those guys that can be a good contributor as a role player for a championship team.

Don't insult Kerr with those types of comparisons. JJ has never had a single season 3 point percentage as high as Kerr's career percentage. Heck, he hasn't had a single season field goal percentage as high as Kerr's career 3 point percentage. Do 3 pointers get easier in the pros? I hope not.

That said, he is good at scrambling to get open. I could see him turning into a Ginobili in the pros. Mainly just doing whatever it takes to get to the freethrow line. As much as I dislike Ginobili for his style of play, he gets the job done, and that's all that matters. I'm quite sure Redick will get the job done in the pros.

[Wufpack]

ACC Weekend! Here's the games:

Saturday

Georgia Tech at NC State, noon
Obviously this is a game NCSU should win, and as long as we don't look ahead to Duke, I think NCSU will win.


Miami at North Carolina, noon
Like the game above, a game UNC should win, but they ARE a young team. Miami has capable shooters too, so they could give them a run for their money


Duke at Clemson, 2
I have a weird feeling about this game. I think Duke will win, but I think Clemson kind of exposes some kind of weakness to keep it a close game. I'm convinced Purnell is a pretty good coach and a win over Duke might include Clemson in the whispers for an NCAA berth.


Florida State at Boston College, 2
Florida State has done ok, kind of similar to Clemson in the way they got off to a good start with an easy schedule. Except FSU hasn't had as big as win as Clemson got over Wake. With BC very vulnerable, I don't think it'd be too crazy to say BC might lose today. I think that's a long shot though, they are 0-3 in the ACC and they should be prepared for a win since they can't buy one.


I'll give analysis on the two games tomorrow later. Should be nice run of games from 12-4.

[Fluff E Bunny]

Florida State at Boston College, 2
Florida State has done ok, kind of similar to Clemson in the way they got off to a good start with an easy schedule. Except FSU hasn't had as big as win as Clemson got over Wake. With BC very vulnerable, I don't think it'd be too crazy to say BC might lose today. I think that's a long shot though, they are 0-3 in the ACC and they should be prepared for a win since they can't buy one.

FSU has been a terrible ACC road team for a decade or so...so a win here ain't gonna be easy. It will largely depend on FSU's interior depth keeping up with the banging inside of BC's big men, and the pressure defense.

[CJ_24]

81-70 upset baby!!! Hite and Diaz both score 24 and Harris throws in 17 (the rest of the team had a combined 18 points) i'm not sure what Haith did to light a fire under these guys asses, but every since we entered ACC play (minus the early season game @ NC State) we've been on fire. first beating a then #12 Maryland team, now going into the Dean Dome and beating UNC (i know they're young, but we almost lost to Sacred Heart earlier this year). but the unfrotunate thing is that we pretty much have to beat everyone except Duke to have a shot at the tourny, the losses to Air Force and Temple are really gonna hurt when we go infront of the selection committee

[swlpack]

Good win for State today, 87-79 over GT. Georgia Tech was shooting lights out in the first half, at around 70%, and it wasn't like State wasn't playing good D. State stepped it up in the second half though. Huge game for Atsur, he is turning into a great player. Survive and advance in the ACC, bring on the Blue Devils!

[Nolesfan2740]

Florida State loses on the road to BC. FSU was up by as much as 11 in the first half but then in the second half BC made 9 3-pointers and got up by as much as 14. FSU made a run late in the game but came up short and lost 90-87.

Even though we came up short I am actually very proud of the way we played late in the game to lose only by 3. Al thornton for FSU also scored a career high with 37 points. FSU went 1-1 on the road this week and now play UNC @ home in 8 days.

[Fluff E Bunny]

Even though we came up short I am actually very proud of the way we played late in the game to lose only by 3. Al thornton for FSU also scored a career high with 37 points. FSU went 1-1 on the road this week and now play UNC @ home in 8 days.

I'll second that. This team doesn't roll over like they did last year (I blame Von).

I don't like our chances vs UNC at home though. UNC will be pissed after losing at home, and we'll be rusty after 8 days off. But, if Al keeps playing the way he has been, who knows.

[Nolesfan2740]

Yeah, the UNC game is a must win. UNC is a young team and because it is UNC ,
I expect the Tucker center to be rocking. I'm not sure how well UNC has played on the road this year but like most teams with tons of young players it is tough to play on the road. I think we should pull of the win.

[Wufpack]

NCSU @ Duke. Mark it down, bitches.

[GTfan]

Well the bad news is we fell to 2-1 in the ACC today, but the good news is that it was a road game, so we're still undefeated in the Thriller dome in ACC play!

I think that we will be a bubble team to make the NCAA, but we will probably fall just short, and go dominate the NIT.

[swlpack]

^ This year might not bring another tourney run for Tech, but after seeing that team play yesterday, no question that Hewitt is going to have a scary club in the next few years. They are quick and athletic and they play smart and as a team, moreso than a lot of young guys want to/do. I am not looking forward to playing Tech over the next few years.

[GTfan]

^ This year might not bring another tourney run for Tech, but after seeing that team play yesterday, no question that Hewitt is going to have a scary club in the next few years. They are quick and athletic and they play smart and as a team, moreso than a lot of young guys want to/do. I am not looking forward to playing Tech over the next few years.

Yeah, The only decent player we are losing (if no one leaves early) to graduation is PF/C Theodus Tarver who is a bench player. So we could have the same starting lineup for 2 more years. Plus we have a killer recruiting class coming in.

[Wahoo35]

We beat VT today in Blacksburg 54-49. Talk about a crazy game. The classy VT fans threw garbage onto the court because of a "bad call" after the VT coach got T'd up. In return, the PA guy told the fans to quit. In return, Tech's coach grabbed the mic and did a pep rally in the middle of the game. Don't understand how that's not a Technical, maybe because they were in Convicksburg . . . I'm sure he can expect a letter from the commish of the ACC in the mail. And with that, we head to 2-2 in the ACC. I must admit, this is far past my expectations. We might make the NIT this year. :)

[I OU a Beatn]

We beat VT today in Blacksburg 54-49. Talk about a crazy game. The classy VT fans threw garbage onto the court because of a "bad call" after the VT coach got T'd up. In return, the PA guy told the fans to quit. In return, Tech's coach grabbed the mic and did a pep rally in the middle of the game. Don't understand how that's not a Technical, maybe because they were in Convicksburg . . . I'm sure he can expect a letter from the commish of the ACC in the mail. And with that, we head to 2-2 in the ACC. I must admit, this is far past my expectations. We might make the NIT this year. :)

Lmfao, I hope you're kidding. Actions like that are just pathetic, funny as hell, but pathetic. [laugh]

[Wosco]

Convicksburg

Gotta love the lame names that rivals come up with.

Congrats on the win and the record.

[swlpack]

And Maryland knocked off Wake Forest last night, got a little closer at the end and Wake got hosed in that out of bounds call, but Maryland is clearly the better team. Wake is a two-man show between Gray and Williams (Gray had 38 points by the way). Deacs start out ACC play 0-3 and Wake fans are starting to turn the heat up on Prosser.

[carolinalax23]

And Maryland knocked off Wake Forest last night, got a little closer at the end and Wake got hosed in that out of bounds call, but Maryland is clearly the better team. Wake is a two-man show between Gray and Williams (Gray had 38 points by the way). Deacs start out ACC play 0-3 and Wake fans are starting to turn the heat up on Prosser.

Wake is horrible this year. I thought they were overrated the entire season.

[Fluff E Bunny]

Wake is horrible this year. I thought they were overrated the entire season.

We'll make them look like Duke, just you wait.

[LikeWhoa20]

Don't insult Kerr with those types of comparisons. JJ has never had a single season 3 point percentage as high as Kerr's career percentage. Heck, he hasn't had a single season field goal percentage as high as Kerr's career 3 point percentage. Do 3 pointers get easier in the pros? I hope not.

That said, he is good at scrambling to get open. I could see him turning into a Ginobili in the pros. Mainly just doing whatever it takes to get to the freethrow line. As much as I dislike Ginobili for his style of play, he gets the job done, and that's all that matters. I'm quite sure Redick will get the job done in the pros.
When did I ever say he was as good of a shooter as Steve Kerr? All I ever said is that he should find a place in the NBA if he aspires to try and fill that kind of shooter role for a team.

As for Miami, Anthony Harris has made all the difference. Miami struggled to start the season while he was out with an injury, but since he's been back they're a whole different team. I'm not sure if it will be enough for them to get all the way back into the NCAAs this year, but they'll be a tough out for the rest of the ACC season.

[HokieHi]

Lmfao, I hope you're kidding. Actions like that are just pathetic, funny as hell, but pathetic. [laugh]

One idiot threw a water bottle on to the paint outside the court (by half court) from about three rows back. I was at the game, don't listen to exaggerations by rivals. It was a big game for us trying to get an ACC win and the refs were screwing us.

[swlpack]

Wake is horrible this year. I thought they were overrated the entire season.

As a team, Wake isn't good. But with Gray and Williams, they should win enough games to be a bubble NCAA team.

If the Cincy job opens at the end of the season, Prosser better jump on that like crazy. Next year's roster is even thinner than this year, and their recruiting has been sub-par since this year, just like the past two.

[swlpack]

Wow. BC squeaks past Holy Cross 63-53, but the game was closer until the end. I know Holy Cross has been a decent mid-major, but come on. How in the world is BC still ranked?

[carolinalax23]

As a team, Wake isn't good. But with Gray and Williams, they should win enough games to be a bubble NCAA team.

If the Cincy job opens at the end of the season, Prosser better jump on that like crazy. Next year's roster is even thinner than this year, and their recruiting has been sub-par since this year, just like the past two.

Their recruiting has always been sub-par, they have just gotten lucky landing 3 phenominal players (Duncan, Howard, Paul).

[I OU a Beatn]

We suck.[down]

[uobrock]

I just love how N.C. State plays watching this Duke game. Fundamentals, baby! A breath of fresh air.

[I OU a Beatn]

I just love how N.C. State plays watching this Duke game. Fundamentals, baby! A breath of fresh air.

Yeah, and we were very lucky to escape with a win. Whoever their center was just murdered us on the inside. Very impressive showing by N.C. State.

[swlpack]

^ Funny, when Shelden Williams was asked what he thought about his matchup with Cedric Simmons (our center) this week, he said "Who is that?" I think Shelden knows who Ced is now.

Overall, I'm not too disappointed. How many teams win in Cameron? Sendek put together a really good gameplan for this one. Too many turnovers by State, and a few too many missed threes. If State played Duke in Raleigh this year, I would feel really good about our chances (thanks ACC expansion! I really wanted to trade that game for another one with Virginia Tech and Miami!). As long as this team rebounds this Saturday and shuts down Wake Forest (which they should), everything is fine. This is by far the best State team since the Jimmy V era, hopefully they will learn from the loss and we will meet Duke again in the ACC Tourney.

[GTfan]

Wake is horrible this year. I thought they were overrated the entire season.

Well, I guess they got themselves together tonight, they're up by 30 something on us.

[I OU a Beatn]

^ Funny, when Shelden Williams was asked what he thought about his matchup with Cedric Simmons (our center) this week, he said "Who is that?" I think Shelden knows who Ced is now.

I had no idea who he was before the game. I do now, needless to say. Guy was a complete beast. The game was alot closer than the score shows. Probably, in reality, only a 3 or 4 point game most of the way through until the end and the free throws. N.C. State is a real contender this year. I was very impressed.

[Longhorn3788]

I just started Blue Blood, the book on UNC-Duke. I already hated Duke but boy is it helpin to fan that flame.

[Wufpack]

I wish we wouldnt end the game so badly so the score wouldn't be so misleading but alas, that's something we need to work on. Overall I thought we played well, and I credit Krysewski for his gameplan on stopping the 3. Although we got a bunch of inside buckets, 2 is less than 3, meanwhile J.J. Redick and Crew hit their fair share. We just have to wait til Saturday, against Wake Forest, to vent our frustrations.

I can't believe Shelden fucking said taht. Shelden did pretty good but Cedric had 28 pts, 9 reb, and 7 blks. Isn't that what Shelden is suppose to put out? Cedric Simmons, pretty much my favorite player now. I just hope he doesn't pull a Josh Powell.

[swlpack]

^ I'm afraid of the Josh Powell effect too for Ced. I think he is a little more grounded than Josh and doesn't have Josh's ego, so hopefully he won't make a foolish move early.

Wake got the bit lead on GT last night and the Yellow Jackets just couldn't mount a large enough comeback, so the Deacs get their first conference win of the year. I'm a little worried about the game Saturday, but as long as the guys don't come out hungover from the loss, everything should be fine. If there is a reaction anything like the one @ BC after the UNC loss, then State should be fine. Wake got some good scoring from Strikland and Hale last night, who had 14 and 16 respectively, but Williams and Gray both had 21 and 25 points and are still basically the only offense Wake has. State should win by a healthy margin.

[Cory]

UVA about to knock off UNC...

[Wahoo35]

JUST DID! BIG WIN! Play Miami next week for 2nd in the ACC. Wow.

[swlpack]

^ Good win for Leitao, I didn't know if UVA would win three conference games all year, much less this early in the year.

At this point, I would say UVA can pull out an NIT bid. But so far the success has been too inconsistant (beat UNC, lose to fordham). The future looks bright from this point though, which I'm sure the admins in Charlottesville are happy about with the opening of the new arena coming up.

All I know is that Herb has to beat UNC in Raleigh. Already inexcusable to lose to them in Chapel Hill, especially in light of recent events, ie losses to Miami and Virginia.

[Fluff E Bunny]

Goddamnit, now UNC is gonna be even more pissed off when they play us this weekend. *sigh*


Hopefully we can find a way to beat them like UVa did.

Good win Cavs.

[Fluff E Bunny]

Oh, I got to take a tour of FSU's basketball facilities tonight. Holy damn! That place is a palace. I'll try to get the pics I took off the RAZR ad post them later.

[Cory]

^ Good win for Leitao, I didn't know if UVA would win three conference games all year, much less this early in the year.

At this point, I would say UVA can pull out an NIT bid. But so far the success has been too inconsistant (beat UNC, lose to fordham). The future looks bright from this point though, which I'm sure the admins in Charlottesville are happy about with the opening of the new arena coming up.

All I know is that Herb has to beat UNC in Raleigh. Already inexcusable to lose to them in Chapel Hill, especially in light of recent events, ie losses to Miami and Virginia.
Leitao is pretty much the savior our program, in my opinion. He is doing all the right things, from installing the right philosophies to recruiting. Our future is looking extremely bright with him at the helm.

[Nolesfan2740]

Oh, I got to take a tour of FSU's basketball facilities tonight. Holy damn! That place is a palace. I'll try to get the pics I took off the RAZR ad post them later.
I've also taken a tour of it once. It was extremely impressive.

[Fluff E Bunny]

I've also taken a tour of it once. It was extremely impressive.

Al Thornton was there practicing on his own. Love that kid and his work ethic.

[Wufpack]

WTF heels? WTF hoos? Seriously, if you told me UVA would have the same record as NCSU 5 games into the ACC season I'd say you're a crackwhore. Well fuck. I'm happy UNC lost but am kind of scared to face UVA at their place (which I think we do if I remember correctly from reading the schedule). And this is with 8 scholarship players. Leitao is a damn good coach, and UVA might be NCAA-good next year with a good recruiting class.

[swlpack]

^ State only has five more road games out of their 12 games left: @ Clemson, @ Miami, @ Virginia Tech, @ Georgia Tech and @ Wake Forest. We only play UVA in Raleigh.

Fran Fraschilla just ripped my idea for a three division setup in the ACC, with North, South and Central. The four teams in each division play round robin. Then each team plays two other teams in the conference twice which rotates and every other team once. That way none of this Duke-State or Wake-UNC once a year crap.

[Wufpack]

^ State only has five more road games out of their 12 games left: @ Clemson, @ Miami, @ Virginia Tech, @ Georgia Tech and @ Wake Forest. We only play UVA in Raleigh.

Fran Fraschilla just ripped my idea for a three division setup in the ACC, with North, South and Central. The four teams in each division play round robin. Then each team plays two other teams in the conference twice which rotates and every other team once. That way none of this Duke-State or Wake-UNC once a year crap.

They should implement this method so we don't have to put up with the way it is now. I don't think there is divisions in basketball (atleast there isn't now) and it'd be hard to have ACC tourney seedings with 3 divisions. Maybe we should just have 3 designated rivals and keep everything else the way it is. Hell, maybe extend the season to 18 games.

[swlpack]

He didn't mean divisions in that sense, just in the way the schedule was worked out. The actual standings would still be a 12-team, no division type deal.

[Wufpack]

He didn't mean divisions in that sense, just in the way the schedule was worked out. The actual standings would still be a 12-team, no division type deal.

Thats fine. Whatever to get the Big Four playing eachother 3 times.

[carolinalax23]

I just started Blue Blood, the book on UNC-Duke. I already hated Duke but boy is it helpin to fan that flame.

Have you ever been to Duke or Durham? I'm sure you'll have it even more if you make the trip over there.

[carolinalax23]

Thats fine. Whatever to get the Big Four playing eachother 3 times.

I hate not playing Wake twice every year. Especially since we've had to play them on the road 2 years in a row which makes no sense. If your only playing once a year, the game should rotate sites. We got shafted in the same sense in football as we have to play Miami on the road again next season.

[swlpack]

Another "WTF?" score from the ACC: Clemson 73, Georgia Tech 63 FINAL. Big win for the Tigers in Atlanta, and Georgia Tech continues their schizo behavior.

And Georgetown up 33-24 on Duke in the MCI Center in DC.

[Wahoo35]

The ACC is so unpredictable this year. When we lost to Fordham we didn't have our PG Sean Singletary and we just had a buttload of brain farts that game. I think we'll come around. We're growin' up fast. Congratulations to the Clemson Tigers. Welcome to the ACC Boston College, you see what good ole' boy basketball is all about. Crazy ACC . . .

[swlpack]

Blue Devils in major trouble up in DC, Georgetown leads 42-28 at the half over Duke. I'm torn between wanting an ACC team to win and hating Duke and therefore wanting them to lose.

[swlpack]

Huge win for State today at home, coming back from as much as 14 down in the first half to beat Wake Forest 92-82. State played bad in the first half, got outrebounded the whole game. Bad shot selection in the first plus lackluster D gave the early lead to Wake, but State battled back. Great teams find a way to win when they aren't playing their best, and the more I watch this State team this year, the more I'm starting to think this is a great team.

[Wufpack]

G-town takes down the Dukies, the 2 other unbeatens lose as well.

It felt good to beat Wake down especially because of the asshole Wake fans around me. I remember during our rally some stupid tyedyed cunt got all pissy and said "Man, if we had Chris Paul we'd kill these guys!". Well, if we had Julius Hodge we'd kill you guys too, you didn't see me being a total bitch when we were down 13 to you guys.

Apparently, Justin Gray was being a prick the entire game. Wake used to be my second favorite team but their delusional, idiotic antics on the team and fanbase have pissed me off to no end. To me, they're like Clemson, they have this crazy hatred for us that doesn't make much sense. What I mean by this is you take a look at the Clemson and Wake messageboards and there are some threads I've seen where Clemson (who would've thunk it?) pretty much hates us and apparently when they go to a football game in Raleigh we slash their tires or some shit. Wake makes stupid tractor jokes (like UNC) but these guys are the stupid private school to the west that the rest of the Big Four could care the least about.

Rant over...Tyedye nation can suck my balls.

[swlpack]

^ Great quote from the Wake boards after the game: "At least are diplomas are worth something." Err...right [laugh] . Wake is just a big high school that has basically never accomplished anything significant in any sport. Their elitist attitude might be the worst in the league.

[Wufpack]

^ Great quote from the Wake boards after the game: "At least are diplomas are worth something." Err...right [laugh] . Wake is just a big high school that has basically never accomplished anything significant in any sport. Their elitist attitude might be the worst in the league.

Exactly. What have they won? Field hockey championships. Their inflated ego is amazing. WTF, we're talking about athletics and that motherfucker brings up academics? Sour fucking grapes.

[Wosco]

they're like Clemson, they have this crazy hatred for us that doesn't make much sense.

I like you [down]

[Wufpack]

I like you [down]

It's definitely not all Clemson fans, I just saw this one thread on there titled "whose your most hated rival besides usc?" and they seem to say NC State like hotcakes. I thought we were similar schools and liked each other.

Don't worry Wosco, you're cool with me. I don't hate Clemson or anything, it just kind of surprised me, and Wake's hate reminds me of that.

[swlpack]

Like Wuf, I think of State, Clemson, and Va Tech as three schools who are very similar and generally the other two. I saw that poll on the Clemson boards and was pretty shocked.

[Fluff E Bunny]

Well, that blew.

First, Karl Hess is the worst official in the world. He feels a need to interject himself into every game in the worst possible ways. Case in point: Alexander Johnson is driving to the basket and starts slipping all over the place and goes out of control. Probably should have been a travelling call on Johnson, or at best a no-call. But Hess decides to make a pretty obvious call as wrong as possible, and calls Hansbrough for his third foul of the first half. Obviously a big problem for UNC.

As a Nole I should be happy for any call that goes our way, but as a basketball fan in general it is just painful watching an offical that bad calling a game at that level. He reminds me of Lenny Wirtz and Dick Paparo back when I was in school. Those two loved the blow the whistle as much as Hess. I guess it is some sort of surragate for the cocks that they normally have in their mouths. I'm pretty sure Hess hates basketball. It is the only reason I can see for him making games so painful to watch.



Anyway, to the game. FSU lost this game in the beginning of the first half. We went away from our inside game where we had a massive advantage with AJ and Al, and we started taking the dumbest three point shots, missing them, and then forgetting to get back on defense. UNC just killed us with transition baskets when we did that. Hamilton needed to call a timeout to straighten the guys out sooner than he did. By the time they got a TO called we had already relinquished the lead and all of the momentum.

I'm proud of the team for fighting back and nearly winning, but if they had just stuck to what was working, UNC wouldn't have stayed close.

Oh well.

UNC is a very small team, and look pretty good in transition. They should consider running more.

[Fluff E Bunny]

FSU at Wake tonight. While this is one of the poorest Wake teams in a while, FSU is dead last in 3 point defense in the league, and has a terrible history on the road.

[Wufpack]

FSU at Wake tonight. While this is one of the poorest Wake teams in a while, FSU is dead last in 3 point defense in the league, and has a terrible history on the road.

I actually think Wake needs the win more than FSU does. Especially since it's at home for them. A win would probably really help FSU and send Wake to oblivion.

[swlpack]

This is an elimination game for Wake at least. If the Noles win, Wake's chances of going to the NCAA's become slim to none.

With that said, I expect Wake to win, especially after watching FSU's great choke job against UNC-CH.

Miami and Virginia also play tonight, which is oddly enough a race for third in the ACC. Should UVA win, Miami falls to 11-8, and eight losses this early will mean trouble for their NCAA hopes.

[Fluff E Bunny]

This is an elimination game for Wake at least. If the Noles win, Wake's chances of going to the NCAA's become slim to none.

With that said, I expect Wake to win, especially after watching FSU's great choke job against UNC-CH.


So far both teams are playing like ass. FSU leads on a couple of threes from Alexander Johnson....our C/PF. That's not a good sign. :(

[swlpack]

FSU has been shooting very well, while Wake has not. Should be interesting to see if that changes in the next half.

[Fluff E Bunny]

FSU has been shooting very well, while Wake has not. Should be interesting to see if that changes in the next half.

Free throws have been good for Wake.

/NFIM

[Fluff E Bunny]

Swinton just took a swing at Romero...and of course, no call, no ejection. Ugh.

[Fluff E Bunny]

FSU wins it down the stretch. Both teams had two players foul out.

This is pretty big for FSU. Now we have another huge game coming vs Miami at home. We need to hold home court better if we want to have any post season play.

[Wahoo35]

UVA beats Miami by 20 at home! WAHOOWA! 4-2 in the ACC, tied for 2nd. This team has so much freakin' heart.

[swlpack]

If you had told me that State and UVA would be tied in late January, I would have assumed that State was sucking horribly. Props to Leitao for really turning around the attitude and direction of the program so early.

And props to FSU for knocking Weak down another peg closer to the NIT :D .

[carolinalax23]

So, apparently the Boston College men's basketball team killed a man.

A 31-year-old Carrboro man was killed in an accident Tuesday evening on N.C. 54 near Little John Road, Chapel Hill police spokeswoman Jane Cousins said.

Cousins said the man was riding his bike when it collided with a bus carrying the Boston College men's basketball team.

[Fluff E Bunny]

And props to FSU for knocking Weak down another peg closer to the NIT :D .

I don't even know that they will make that. They are 12-7 and 1-5 in the ACC, and the rest of the ACC schedule for them isn't exactly friendly.

I'll be happy if FSU makes the NIT. I'm still looking for us to finish 16-11 for the regular season, but the Wake win may have bumped that up to 17-10. UVa beating Miami gives me hope for that game, since we beat UVa (and yeah, I know transitivity doesn't work).

[swlpack]

Out of conference game for the Wolfpack tonight v. Seton Hall, on ESPN Classic for some reason or another at 7. Should be another fairly easy win, the Pirates are 10-6 (2-3) though they did play Nova close, they also lost to Duke by 50 earlier in the year. Maryland @ Georgia Tech tonight at 7 on ESPN could be interesting. Georgia Tech did just lose at home to Clemson, but they are a schizo team so who knows when their on or off nights will be. And BC travels to UNC, a game between two teams who are pretty much NCAA locks, unless one of them tanks.

[gopack2004]

It'll be interesting to see the new Maryland without their lead scorer McCray.

I hope we make short work of Seton Hall. We could use an easy one.

[gopack2004]

sheesh, did I say easy. Pack down 13 at half. crapola

[Wahoo35]

So, apparently the Boston College men's basketball team killed a man.

That's what we get for puttin those damn Yankees in the ACC . . .

[carolinalax23]

That's what we get for puttin those damn Yankees in the ACC . . .

Actually, Id much rather have Syracuse as planned than Virginia Tech. They have been nothing but trouble since they got in and don't represent the sportsmanship of the rest of the league by any means.

[Wahoo35]

Actually, Id much rather have Syracuse as planned than Virginia Tech. They have been nothing but trouble since they got in and don't represent the sportsmanship of the rest of the league by any means.
Not sayin' this from a rival's point of view, but I actually agree with you. I'm not big on bringing in new cultural boundaries and what not, but Syracuse would have been better than Va Tech. I'd truthfully like to know what's goin on down at Tech for morals and the philosophy, "Win or nuthin" to be that strong. Again, not saying that from a rival point of view, just as an ACC fan, as I'm sure the rest of the ACC is.

[OCCoug]

sheesh, did I say easy. Pack down 13 at half. crapola

Big East >>>>>> ACC

We've been owning you guys lately I think. At least tonight's game and Duke-GT come to mind. Even ND who's 1-5 played NC St close.

[swlpack]

^ ND didn't play State that close. It never was really in question in the second half that State would win.

On the other hand, tonight was a disaster for the Wolfpack. The team played with no heart..none..nada. Terrible defense, they weren't executing the offense at all, and taking bad shots. Plus they couldn't rebound for shit.

However, I'm not going to panic yet. It isn't as bad as losing to say ND State at home. As long as they bounce back at Clemson on Sunday night and beat the Tiggers, everything is ok. Lose that game, and this team is apparently no different than any other year under Sendek since 2001.

[doh]

Big East >>>>>> ACC

We've been owning you guys lately I think. At least tonight's game and Duke-GT come to mind. Even ND who's 1-5 played NC St close.
Yeah, a huge win for the Big East in terms of showing if they are the best conference in t