HookemHorns I-back offense

[HookemHorns]

Introduction:

One benefit that the I-back offense gives you is a balanced attack to either side. I have included the option game into this manual and I use the option game to help in controlling the box. The pro I usually puts 6 defenders to the tight side and five defenders to the openside when no threat of the option exisits. Thus, using the option game as a part of your package makes the defense balance up, forcing 5 1/2 players to one side and 5 1/2 to the other. This gives the opportunity to take advantage of the tight end side.

This manual will give you the ability to attack defense's with two running backs and three recievers. I've broken the installation of the I-back offense into different formations trying to get the best possible blocking angles and to get the defense misaligned. If at all possible the best scenario is to break down your opponent by the way they align to formations, meaning give the defense several formations in order to get the best possible play.

By using different formations the defense cannot gang up on the box as easily. The I-back offense centers around the tailback running inside (HB Slam), outside (off tackle), and isolation plays and being the pitchman in option. By adding the option game to your offense it makes your opponent have to defense the fullback and quarterback in the running game, this takes some of the focus off the tailback. Adding the option game also makes the defense have to defend the entire field.

[WhoUTestin]

I am very interested to see where you go with this.

[HookemHorns]

Philosophy:

The following section is a desicription detailing why run option football. As option football is usually not a common offense that most teams face, it usually takes most defenses out of basic game situations that they see every game, thus, defenders must change gears from being a swarming defense to an assignment responsibility defense. This section contains the following information:


Why Option Football
Common Objections For Not Running Triple Option
Option Philosophy
Things to Think About


WHY OPTION FOOTBALL

Best way to get the ball on the perimeter and attack the outside third. When the defense spreads to contain triple option, the fullback game gets explosive.
Don't need dominant offensive linemen to have success in a option game.
Makes defense play assignment football by defending the option with every play. Forces defenses to be disciplined.
The option will help your pass offense dramatically because the defensive secondary starts to limit their coverages that you will face. It predicts secondary coverage.
Option controls random blitzing. One worng stunt and it's six points.
Option football neutralizes dominant players by forcing them to play assignment football.


COMMON OBJECTIONS FOR NOT RUNNING TRIPLE OPTION FOOTBALL

It is a high risk offense. Statistically speaking, there is no evidence to support this statement. Tkaing care of the football is like anything else, if it is important to you, work at it.
It is a run offense only. When it is working why pass? The passing game is even more effective because of the defensive emphasis on stopping the run. You can get mismatches and coverages that are easily exploited.


OPTION PHILOSOPHY

Makes the defense concentrate on the fullback, makes the fullback game go.
Multiple formations and motions to run the same option.
Find the flank; determine which side of the formation is softer.
Utilize play-action pass off the option game; places the defense in a run play mode.
Run multople options.
Get the ball onto the perimeter of the defense. Makes the defense defend the entire field.
Employ the dropback game to prevent the defense from ganging up on the option.
Run an offense - not a bunch of unrelated plays.
Use motion to try an cause confusion with the defensive assignments.


SUMMARY
In summary, triple option football allows you to attack the perimeter in many different ways. The option game for the use in this manual is an offense used to setup the box, (must take defenders out to defend the perimeter). This is when you run your isolation plays, etc., (can't gang up on the box). Depending on how the quarterback can handle his ability to read the option, is what makes this a sophisticated offensive running weapon.

Surely the best running play is the option. It's better than the others because it makes the game a 2 on 1 or a 3 on 2 proposition, the fewer players involved in a given area the easier it is to move the football. Option football uses the full width of the field and more field used the greater the advantage to the offense.

THINGS TO THINK ABOUT WHEN RUNNING YOUR OPTION GAME

Rules for running Triple Option Counter: Open and Tight side

Only run counter option to the openside with no invert weak. If defnese gives you a 7 technique towards the tight end side with an invert aligned outside.
Counter Option is a triple option play, make sure not to run this play towards three defenders.


Learn about the two outside inverts (discussed later) as you view the defense. This simple concept of counting defensive personel and running to the side with the fewest defenders sets your option game up. If the defense shows you inverts to both sides means a six man box. Run at the box with isolation plays or triple option.

Rules for running power option: Tight side and Openside

Can run power option when your opponent has aligned with a 5 and 9 technique towards the tight end side. The quarterback will read the inside shoulder of the 9 technique. If an invert is aligned outside the 9 technique "check" to counter option weak.
Can run power option towards the openside when the defense has started to take the openside counter option away with reducing five technique into a 4 technique. This play becomes a quick pitch of the outside invert.
For best results run power option to a seven technique because the quarterback will now only need to read the outside invert.


One way for defenses to take away the triple option is to run linebackers through the offensive line. This forces the offense into handing the ball off to the fullback. By giving the defense a look at the power option will force linebackers to have to play in a position to chase outside, or there will not be enough defenders to pursue the option wide. The power option eliminates the read key and forces the nine technique to be the option key. Usually the power option is pitched quickly and outside before the defense can react. Power option keeps the linebackers from playing tight into the L.O.S. thus, vreating a softer defense in which to run your triple option, isolation, inside, and outside plays.

Rules for running triple option: Tightend side only.

Only run the triple option to a two or three tchnique. The tight dive by the fullback restricts the defense. Also, the tight dive by the fullback prevents fast flow by the linebackers and secondary, especially the free safety.
Quarterback works 1 1/2 yards off the L.O.S., which negates minimal penetration.
Creates natural lanes for the quarterback to run.
Keeps backside from chasing down the quarterback.


The triple option creates a whole set of problems for the defense, it gives you another option when the defense has taken power and counter option away. The triple makes the path of the fullback right over the center. This changes the read key one man outside. This takes the read away from the 5 technique and moves it to the defensive tackle or the three technique rather than the defensive end. the triple changes the game on the defense and forces players on defense to try and figure out which option scheme is coming at them.

Use of Multiple Formations and Option Schemes:

Using multiple formations and backfield sets forces the defense to be assignment sound.
Option limits the defensive package.
Using option rules helps you with the numbers game, gives proper blocking anlges.
Helps the passing game due to the fact it forces the defense to use fewer coverages.
If you opponent understands that you run the option it eliminates many blitzes, helps blitz pick-up in the passing game.


Since defenses have grown more complex, the option game has expanded into the offense to create three specific areas that are diametrically opposed to each other. That is, whatever specific defense a team chooses to stop one scheme will create a weakness that is exploited by the other scheme. Three basic option schemes are 1). Counter option. 2). Triple option. And 3). Power option. When you add the play-action passing game to this group, you create a balance to your offense. this philosophy dictates to the defense that is must remain sound against all three schemes. With the option game you are trying to create a balanced defense that is forced to play assignment football. If you can force the defense to do that it will open the rest of the option offensive package up, thus, giving you the best possible chance for success.

[HookemHorns]

I will get more into the playbook, and what exactly an invert is tomorrow. As for right now it is time to sleep. I'll get much more indepth tomorrow and provide diagrams so you can better understand what I am saying.

[husker_blitz]

Overall, nice job.

But I have to question this statement:
"Don't need dominant offensive linemen to have success in a option game."

I still think you need dominant lineman to be successful in option football. Regardless of the school, those lineman has to at least hold their block at the line of scrimmage to prevent them from penetrating the backfield and messing up the action. Even with Air Force's Veer option where the quarterback loops about four yards behind the line of scrimmage, penetration by the D-line will disrupt the play from the get-go.

I would say you need at least a different type of O-line than say a passing attack, but dominant nonetheless.

[WhoUTestin]

WOW is all I have to say. That is more in-depth than my high school playbook and we were an option team (albeit a veer option team).

[rhombic21]

I have a quick question for you.

Why run it out of the I, and not the Flexbone/Wishbone? Traditionally those formations have been much more widely used for triple option purposes.

[Papa LoneStar]

Beautiful and impressive breakdowns :D

[SoJon]

I have a quick question for you.

Why run it out of the I, and not the Flexbone/Wishbone? Traditionally those formations have been much more widely used for triple option purposes.
i was thinking about it recently too (i just saw this thread)
the full back behind center allows you to place a blocker anywhere on a conventional run (which makes conventional running a super threat and a good change of pace)

i was going to elaborate further but i really dont need to
with the I, you can run the triple option or the power running attack while spreading the field with 3 wr

as of right now, my rl playbook is going to be mostly i slot and shotgun 2b slot
and i twins while lastly a bunch set for variety

also the i formation would be more fashionable to recruits

[HookemHorns]

Overall, nice job.

But I have to question this statement:
"Don't need dominant offensive linemen to have success in a option game."

I still think you need dominant lineman to be successful in option football. Regardless of the school, those lineman has to at least hold their block at the line of scrimmage to prevent them from penetrating the backfield and messing up the action. Even with Air Force's Veer option where the quarterback loops about four yards behind the line of scrimmage, penetration by the D-line will disrupt the play from the get-go.

I would say you need at least a different type of O-line than say a passing attack, but dominant nonetheless.

You don't need a dominate offensive line to block for the option...because its not a drive blocking scheme. In other words the option is just like the ISO run play where the FB leads up on the linebacker, he doesn't need to make a devistating blow all he needs it contact and as long as he isn't pushed backwards the runningback has already hit the hole and is gone.

Its much the same with the option...offensive linemen just need contact and to not allow a lot of penetration. Some penetration is actually good as it will open holes for other plays like traps or in NCAA 2006 the counter lead.

This is why teams that aren't dominate like Wake Forest, Rice, Air Force, etc can hang with the big boys. Not only because of the speed and misdirection of the option, but because they don't have to physically outmuscle thier opponents. The option game is more about getting more numbers to the P.O.A..

Now teams like the old Nebraska teams that can do both are really special.

[HookemHorns]

I have a quick question for you.

Why run it out of the I, and not the Flexbone/Wishbone? Traditionally those formations have been much more widely used for triple option purposes.

Flexbone and Wishbone are misdirection schemes. If you run it out of the I you can add the power game as well.

[HookemHorns]

Now that we have gone over the introduction to the I back offense and my general philosophy I am going to give you my option offense introduction, then we'll go over some terminology, then I'll show you how I determine which option to run.

Option Offense Introduction

The key to installing the option game in my opinion is to attack defenses with multiple formations using motion. Motions are used to gain a numbers advantage, always keep one more offensive threat then defenders have to stop any given option. As you read this manual you will find that I put the quarterback in a position for reading inverts and defensive alignments to call the best option, it's like having a 12th man.

As you view your offense and sonsider formations that fit your offensive philosopy, remember, an offense is most flexible and at its toughest position with two running backs, two wide recievers, and a tight end in the game.

Any offense should be evaluated by its output and its ability to move the football and put points on the board so, an important fact to consider when establishing a game plan with your offensive plays, will they work against your opponents top three defenses.

When installing the option game you should try and establish a game plan that allows you to run all your options out of all your different formations and not just limit yourself to a few options on any given formation, this creates tendencies. Also, remember the option game forces a defense to play assignment football, a defense might carry out that assignment correctly one, two, three, four, or even five times in a row, its that sixth time once the defender makes a mistake and its six points. You must establish patience early in a game with any option attack, you must get comfortable with your reads. Not all plays will be long gainers or touchdowns so, keep in mind when running an option offense, your always one play away from making the 85 yard youchdown run.

I build alot of my offense around being able to keep us in the best possible play and this is done by reading outside inverts for best play and then changing that play on the line of scrimmage. As the option game is installed I try to pair plays, meaning that if we call a play in the huddle and you come out to the line of scrimmage and see the defense is giving you a defensive front that doesn't fit the play then you can audibly into a play that does fit the defensive scheme.

[HookemHorns]

Offensive Formations

First of all I would like to thank fluff e bunny for taking the time to make his formations website it makes this a lot easier.

http://www.utopiafootball.com/fluffebunny/IFormNormal/iformnormal.jpg

http://www.utopiafootball.com/fluffebunny/StrongNormal/strongnormal.jpg

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http://www.utopiafootball.com/fluffebunny/IFormTwins/iformtwins.jpg

http://www.utopiafootball.com/fluffebunny/AceSlot/aceslot.jpg

http://www.utopiafootball.com/fluffebunny/IFormSlot/iformslot.jpg
http://www.utopiafootball.com/fluffebunny/AceSpread/acespread.jpg

http://www.utopiafootball.com/fluffebunny/AceTrips/acetrips.jpg

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http://www.utopiafootball.com/fluffebunny/IFormYTrips/iformytrips.jpg

[HookemHorns]

Personel

Quarterback: Needs to be quick, doesn't have to be fast but it does help. I look for agility and the ability to carry the ball. I try to get QBs in the 6'2'' 210 range.

Fullback: Doesn't have to be huge...I like them around 220-225 with decent speed and good carrying ability. In my dynasty my fullbacks are converted HB's.

Tailback: I like them to be in the 205-210 range, you can go smaller though. They need to have good speed and agility. They also need to be able to catch the ball well.

Wide Recievers: While I don't pass much it is still good to have receivers with decent hands...but their number one priority is blocking for the option. I have put converted HBs and QBs in this position to help fill out the numbers.

Formation Subs:

When playing online I like to put my fullback as my #3 reciever, and he is the one I will usually motion. Remember this is a running offense, having an extra blocker on the outside really helps. Also put your best pass recieving TE at #4 WR for those formations like I-Form Slot.

[HookemHorns]

Terminology

0 technique: Head-up alignment on the center.

2 technique: Head-up alignment on the offensive guard.

3 technique: Shaded defender on the outside of on offensive guard.

4 technique: Head-up alignment on the tackle.

5 technique: Outside shade alignment on an offensive tackle.

9 technique: Outside shade alignment on the tight end.

[HookemHorns]

Reading outside inverts for best option.

This section is designed to teach you how to put your offense in best play according to the outside inverts, also known as outside linebackers or safeties. The outside invert rule is an easy way of understanding defenses without having to spend much time counting the box for best option, the outside invert rule will provide that information.

This style puts the pressure on the defense trying to determine how to take you out of all three options at one time with any given defense. This style intels the use of a tight end, this is where you start to gain the advantage without using motion to give your intentions away or to create tendencies. You have three options at your disposal and they are 1. Counter Option away from the tight end and no invert weak, 2. triple option towards the tightend when the defense gives you a 2 or 3 technique, and your last option 3. power option towards the tight end when the defense gives you a 7 technique and or combination of a reduced front that shows a 5 and 9 alignment on the line of scrimmage.

Inverts will be those players aligned at the same level as the linebackers. The location of the invert rule is the area outside the openside tackle and the area outside the tightend. If you come to the line of scrimmage and see both inverts located in these areas you know the defense is playing with a six man box and that you would go towards the tightend with your options.

When calling the best option at the line of scrimmage an important point to remember is to keep the formation basic with the installation of a tight end. The following example will give you the definition of an outside invert.

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Look to the areas of the outside inverts for best option and to understand how many defenders are aligned inside the box.
If both inverts are located outside then it means a six man box, thus the invert rule will dictate best option.


Counter Option: Run only towards the openside when no invert is located outside the openside tackle. The only option you have towards the openside is the counter option. No other options go that direction.

Triple Option: Towards the tight end side only when the defense is giving you a 2 or 3 technique.

Power Option: When you come to the line of scrimmage and you see no invert outside the tight end side you want to be able to run power option towards the tight end side.

Remember to always setup the option with your FB dive and slam plays. This will hold the playside linebacker enabling you to get outside on the option.

[Wooly]

What an amazing thread HookemHorns!:)

Why don't you have I Tight in your list of formations? That is my favorite I formation.


Also, I love the Wishbone Normal formation, and I have a ton of success running the Counter Option to the weak side (OLB outside or not) or strongside, especially with the FB.

[HookemHorns]

What an amazing thread HookemHorns!:)

Why don't you have I Tight in your list of formations? That is my favorite I formation.


Also, I love the Wishbone Normal formation, and I have a ton of success running the Counter Option to the weak side (OLB outside or not) or strongside, especially with the FB.

I'm sorry I thought I had I-tight in the list...Power I should also be listed.

I plan on adding more to the thread just need a little more time to finish up the rest.

[rhombic21]

Look to the areas of the outside inverts for best option and to understand how many defenders are aligned inside the box.
If both inverts are located outside then it means a six man box, thus the invert rule will dictate best option.


I'm not sure if you're going to get to this later, so if you aren't don't worry with it until then.

What is the invert rule?

[rhombic21]

I want you to know that this thread has inspired me to change my offense. Great thread so far man, and I look forward to seeing you expand it fully.

Also, do you use any Maryland I?

[SwampMonkey]

Neat.
I run totally out of I form on this game since I suck so badly at passing [laugh] Mostly I just ram the ball down the field, with an ocassional PA pass. I have the worst trouble with trying to figure out when to pass on this game.

My one gripe is that the plays are so bare and that EA still hasn't put the play maker back in the game to compensate for that.
[glare]

[HookemHorns]

I want you to know that this thread has inspired me to change my offense. Great thread so far man, and I look forward to seeing you expand it fully.

Also, do you use any Maryland I?

Yes, I actually prefer the Maryland I over goalline formation.

[HookemHorns]

I'm not sure if you're going to get to this later, so if you aren't don't worry with it until then.

What is the invert rule?

I should have the next part done and posted tonight at the earliest, but probably early tomorrow.

[SalSincere]

I should have the next part done and posted tonight at the earliest, but probably early tomorrow.

This is great, i fee like im in high school all over again. My coach was a big fan of the traditional I formation option game. Thanks Hookem.:D

[HookemHorns]

Reading outside inverts for best option continued...

Once again in reviewing your options at the line of scrimmage you only have three options to consider. Counter option to the openside, triple option and power option towards the tight end side. All three options are determined by following the ouside invert rule.

The following informationwill give you the reasoning behind calling the plays as I do, starting with Counter option.

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When running counter option to the openside you must be able to break the triangle. The triangle consists of a defensive end, inside linebacker, and outside invert.
The primary reason for not running counter option weak with an outside invert located outside the openside tackle is because the defense now has 3 to defend 3.


It should be noted that the triangle can be broken by formation and or motion, but for the purpose of calling option on me at the line of scrimmage it is suggested to keep the base formation out of a I-formation with tight end, flanker and split end. Remember when you come to the line of scrimmage look outside to read the inverts for best option. An outside invert is considered any defender playing at the same level as the inside backers.

VS 4-3

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In this example the triangle doesn't exist, there is no outside invert weak so you can run counter option.
Versus the 4-3 scheme you may now see the invert rotated strong or he could be in some sort of deep coverage, thus, the counter option weak becomes a good play. The defense only has 2 to defned 3.


On counter option you are reading the inside of the 5 technique. If the inside of the 5 technique shows it becomes a pull read. If the inside of the 5 technique doesn't show it becomes a give read to the dive back. Remember, no matter how they decide to defend the counter option look to see if the triangle exists.

Next up is Triple Option....stay tuned.

[HookemHorns]

Reading outside inverts for best option continued...

The next "Option on Me" covers triple option towards the tight end and away from the outside invert located on the outside of the openside tackle.

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Once again when you approach the line of scrimmage find the location of the inverts. If an invert is located outside the openside tackle take the best option towards the tight end.

If both inverts are located outside it means a six man box so run at it, thus the triple option becomes a good call.

The option game makes a defense have to balance up in order to defend both perimeters. If both inverts are located outside, this means attack the tight end side because the defesne towards the tight end side has become unbalanced for defending the triple and power option game.

[HookemHorns]

Reading outside inverts for best option continued...

We will now talk about the power option...

The power option allows you to restrict the flow of the playside defenders and keeps this play from streching. The reason the power option doesn't strech is becasue you will always wany your tight end to block down. This will happen whenever the defense gives you a 7 technique and or 5 and 9 technique together. The following examples will clarify the power option.

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Vs this type of 8 man front with a 6 man box you are able to block down on the defensive end, which means no defender stretches and no offensive linemen has to chase their second level defenders. The next example gives you the under front from a reduced fifty.

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When running the power option the quarterback will attack the inside jersey number of the 9 technique, this also helps the play from stretching.

Remember, one of the keys for running power option is to make sure that your tight end is blocking down not reaching out. If the tight end has to reach it then means the power will stretch, you want to restrict this play; DON'T STRECH IT.

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Don't run power option into the 4-3 because the tight end cannot block away from the play. If power option were called then this would force the tight end to reach the 9 technique, thus, streching the play.

If you see this situation you would see there is an invert outside the openside tackle so you would take this option towards the tight end. You see the invert strong is missing, but, the playside tackle and tight end cannot combo down so the best play would be triple option.

Recapping the rules for running "Option on Me." Remember, what helps the decision making process is the outside inverts, you will follow the invert rule for calling the best option at the line of scrimmage. Counter option to the openside and triple or power option towards the tight end. When you break the huddle find the location of the inverts and call the best option.

[thefog]

I want you to know that this thread has inspired me to change my offense. Great thread so far man, and I look forward to seeing you expand it fully.

Also, do you use any Maryland I?
I'm also a fan of the one back in the form of the ace.......you can't box it and you can beatem real deep if they try........the maryland I was the bomb in last years version. if you ran it inside the 25 yardline to the strongside you could either score or bite off a huge chunk of yardage almost every time. although its still effective in this years version, theres no comparison.

[HookemHorns]

Reading the box for the best option

VS 4-3, Nickle, and Dime Defenses

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Can run power option because of 6 technique, fullback would power free safety.
Run counter option openside because invert moved inside the box. Can run slam and ISO plays because the offense matches up with the defense.
Whenever the defense gives you a middle linebacker your counter lead play becomes good.

[HookemHorns]

VS 3-4 or 5-2 Defense

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Any 50 look allows you to run counter lead.
Run Counter option because invert is missing. You can run your slam and ISO plays because of the bubble presented by the defense.
Can run Power option with the power on the strong safety invert.

[HookemHorns]

VS 4-4 or 4-2-5 Defenses

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If your opponent is giving you a four man front with a 2 or 3 technique you want to run triple option, especially if they have aligned with two outside inverts.
In this diagram if you are following your rules you can run power option because of the 7 technique.

[HookemHorns]

VS 3-3-5 Stack

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Remember your invert rules, due to double inverts you run tight end side.
Run power option, fullback will power playside outside linebacker.
Triple option will work here also. Read the 0 technique for the dive read.
ISO and slam plays work well here also.

[HookemHorns]

Play Series

Trap series:

The trap series allows you to hit a quick hitting play up the middle to slow down quick penetrating defenses.

Plays - Counter lead and Counter.

Play-action off trap - PA Boot and PA Rollout.

Dive series:

This series is very effective when it is believed the middle of the defense is soft. The running back needs to have vision on the linebackers, cut opposite the fill read playside linebacker.

Plays - ISO, Slam, and HB Smash

Play-action off dive - PA FB flat, PA Deep Post, PA HB Flat, PA HB Smash, PA In, PA FB seam.

Bounce and Toss series:

The bounce and toss series is employed to take advantage of soft upfield play by the defensive line and linebackers. Bounce is designed to start inside and then bounce outside depending on the reatcion of the defense. The toss is designed to go outside, could possibly go inside depending on the reaction of the defense. The bounce and toss is based on the true run to daylight principal. An entire offense can evolve from this package. The counter and bootleg pass series becomes more effective once the bounce series is established.

Plays - HB Tackle, Read, Lead Toss, Toss strong and Counter weak.

Play-action off bounce - PA FB flat, PA Deep Post, PA HB Flat, PA HB Smash, PA In, PA FB seam.

[HookemHorns]

Tomorrow I'll go into my 3, 5, and 7 step passing game. Stay tuned...

[WhoUTestin]

Man this is getting really good. After reading this I have been making much better reads on the option.

[HookemHorns]

Man this is getting really good. After reading this I have been making much better reads on the option.

Good, I'm glad its helped.

[chevyman]

Very happy to say that I am "Hooked" on this thread. I have always toyed with the option but never made it my offensive center piece.....until now.

Thanks

[SoJon]

some good sites
(video's you can buy) http://www.championshipproductions.com/cgi-bin/champ/FV-01904.html

the zone - a free site on football
http://www.championshipproductions.com/cgi-bin/champ/FV-01904.html

coachwyatt
http://www.coachwyatt.com/veerexplained.html

hookem, where did you get the majority of your info?
i assume a book???

[HookemHorns]

some good sites
(video's you can buy) http://www.championshipproductions.com/cgi-bin/champ/FV-01904.html

the zone - a free site on football
http://www.championshipproductions.com/cgi-bin/champ/FV-01904.html

coachwyatt
http://www.coachwyatt.com/veerexplained.html

hookem, where did you get the majority of your info?
i assume a book???

I am a member of Jerry Cambell's website and own a lot of his material. Between that and studying the old Nebraska offense for the last couple of years is where I learned a lot about the I-back offense and the option in general.

I have every Nebraska game from the 90's on DVD, spend a lot of time on the nebraska sites looking for information and email, call, etc whomever I can get in touch with about the Nebraska offense. I also own just about every book there is to own on the option.

I know you were wanting to go into coaching and if you want to read a great book on Nebraska's blocking schemes and their offense in general pick up The Assembly Line by Milt Tenopir. Coach Tenopir is the old Nebraska offensive line coach and pretty much lays it all out on the table in his book.

[SoJon]

cool, thanks

[husker_blitz]

I have every Nebraska game from the 90's on DVD, spend a lot of time on the nebraska sites looking for information and email, call, etc whomever I can get in touch with about the Nebraska offense. I also own just about every book there is to own on the option.
You can actually buy the Nebraska playbook from the 90s if you look hard enough.;)

[HookemHorns]

You can actually buy the Nebraska playbook from the 90s if you look hard enough.;)

You happen to know where one is at? I've tracked a few down but for whatever reason I haven't been able to get my hands on one.

[husker_blitz]

ebay has two copies of the backs offensive playbook. (http://cgi.ebay.com/1996-Nebraska-Tom-Osbourne-Offensive-Football-Playbook_W0QQitemZ8731346678QQcategoryZ73430QQssPa geNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

You can also search the internet, I have seen some other places that advertise having them. I believe Wooly actually got one of these from ebay so he might be able to let you know how complete it is.

[Mr. Attitude]

WOW I love this thread. GREAT GREAT JOB guy. Very informative option thread. Gotta love the good ole option style Offense. As matter a fact option is what sets the NFL and college apart as far as offenses.

[Wooly]

You happen to know where one is at? I've tracked a few down but for whatever reason I haven't been able to get my hands on one.

I've got the 1996 NU playbook. I bought it off a guy on ebay, who basically just made copies of the whole book and mailed it. I was a little disappointed, I thought I was getting an original copy, bound you know. Considering he just photocopied them, he could have at least bound it simply for me.

Anyhow, it is informative and fun to read. I would be happy to make you a copy and mail it to you free of charge. I don't think two people should have to pay for it. It shouldn't be breaking any copyright, since the ebay guy just made me a copy and sold it to me. I thought it was interesting though the purchase came with an ebay agreement to not resell it on ebay. I guess I could just make photocopies and do the same thing he did without such a stipulation.

[HookemHorns]

I've got the 1996 NU playbook. I bought it off a guy on ebay, who basically just made copies of the whole book and mailed it. I was a little disappointed, I thought I was getting an original copy, bound you know. Considering he just photocopied them, he could have at least bound it simply for me.

Anyhow, it is informative and fun to read. I would be happy to make you a copy and mail it to you free of charge. I don't think two people should have to pay for it. It shouldn't be breaking any copyright, since the ebay guy just made me a copy and sold it to me. I thought it was interesting though the purchase came with an ebay agreement to not resell it on ebay. I guess I could just make photocopies and do the same thing he did without such a stipulation.

That would be wonderful if you could do that. I'll PM you with my address.

[BamaFan69]

Hello guys and hopefully some GALS. Anyhow this is my 1st ever Utopia post. I was looking for a post on here to enhance my running game. WOW you guys do some really great STRAT over here. ive been browsing this forum now for hours. Silly me. Anyhow this is a great read. Great job to the guy who made this thread. Very great read now hopefully I can go implement this style in my option game and maybe WIN a few games.

[HookemHorns]

Hello guys and hopefully some GALS. Anyhow this is my 1st ever Utopia post. I was looking for a post on here to enhance my running game. WOW you guys do some really great STRAT over here. ive been browsing this forum now for hours. Silly me. Anyhow this is a great read. Great job to the guy who made this thread. Very great read now hopefully I can go implement this style in my option game and maybe WIN a few games.

Glad I could help...

I'm going to try and get my passing game up, I've been a little under the weather and haven't really worked on it all that much.

[jeremy7679]

Xs and Oz: The Nebraska Offense (http://incolor.inetnebr.com/mays/index.htm)

Here is a good link to a website with some old Nebraska stuff.

[stonecold]

Great Thread!

I have a couple of questions. I am a high school OC and have run a lot of option in my time. Since much of your info comes from the real life do these things actually work in the game?

I am just getting into a dynasty in 06 b/c of the season just ending, but in the previous versions of the game true option keys didn't work b/c the offensive line blocked whoever was in front of them. Unless I am misunderstanding you, you are reading defensive lineman so the offensive lineman must have been corrected for the option in this year's version.

Also, on your 3-3-5 stack post, you said to read the 0, nose guard, on the triple. I have never heard of any option where you read the 0. Explain to me how you would do this.

I was already planning on bringing the option to my East Carolina Dynasty and this has got me pumped!

[Catch28]

Also, on your 3-3-5 stack post, you said to read the 0, nose guard, on the triple. I have never heard of any option where you read the 0. Explain to me how you would do this.

goes to the dive hole - keep

goes away or stays in the middle - give

[HookemHorns]

Great Thread!

I have a couple of questions. I am a high school OC and have run a lot of option in my time. Since much of your info comes from the real life do these things actually work in the game?

I am just getting into a dynasty in 06 b/c of the season just ending, but in the previous versions of the game true option keys didn't work b/c the offensive line blocked whoever was in front of them. Unless I am misunderstanding you, you are reading defensive lineman so the offensive lineman must have been corrected for the option in this year's version.

Also, on your 3-3-5 stack post, you said to read the 0, nose guard, on the triple. I have never heard of any option where you read the 0. Explain to me how you would do this.

I was already planning on bringing the option to my East Carolina Dynasty and this has got me pumped!

Everything I said will work in real life, but I did have to change some stuff so that it would be work in this game.

In the 3-3-5 stack and the 3-4 a lot of the times the NG(especialy when playing the CPU) will slant toward the direction you are running the option.

Now then in real life if you run the option an there is a NG lined up right over the center your not going to want to run triple-option as it is called in the game (but what I am really talking about is Midline) since the dive backs path is right up the butt of the center. You would run counter-option (Inside Veer instead) since the path of the dive back is the guard-tackle gap.

If you have anymore questions feel free to post in this thread or PM me and I will do my best to answer.

BTW - I am sorry I haven't updated this thread in awhile, I just got over being sick and started a new job as an account manager on Monday so I have been a little busy.

[stonecold]

I was not saying that your ideas wouldn't work in real life, I know that they do. I just knew that from previous experience you couldn't make true option reads in the game, b/c the blocking schemes were not option blocking schemes.

What I typically do is make a pre-snap dive read. If there is a bubble where the fullback will dive or a LB has walked out into coverage I will give against an even front (even = no NG and 4 DL). Against an odd front (odd = NG) I usually only give it if the DT's widen. I will give it sometimes if I know that my OL are substancially better than the other team's DT's.

I almost always run the counter b/c of the better dive track and the fact the QB reverses out and never stops moving. I always try to have a good running QB and then he carries the ball most of the time on options. On the triple when he stops to mesh, he literally stops, and it is much harder to get the 2nd level b/c he has to pick up speed again.

Also, I agree with your comments on the power option. Stretching it is bad for the pitch. (I never realized the TE's blocking "rules" in the game, that will be a big help.) However, I make many big plays on the power option by letting it stretch and then cutting the QB up into the line inside of the TE's block. People often forget that the key to success with the option is not getting to the corner, but getting up the field as soon as you find a crease.

One thing that made me much better on the option is being more patient while the QB has the ball. I used to always run for the corner or pitch trying to get big plays down the sideline. I would make big plays but also many losses or 0 yard plays by making a bad decision. A few years ago I tried to use real "football sense" while running the option in the game. I starting letting the flow play over the top and have the QB cut back to the inside, and it pretty much works in the game. Sometimes the QB is too close to the pitch man and one defender can play both of them, but you can usually gain 3-5 yards with the QB by using the cut inside button and falling forward. From time to time you can also break that one tackle and cut it back against the grain for really big plays.

[rhombic21]

Bump, and suggestion to move to strategy section.

[rhombic21]

When you talk about the counter option, is that play still in the game? I can't seem to find it in very many formations. Also, since they changed Ohio's playbook so that it no longer has Maryland I, do you have a preferred playbook for this offense?

[Gooksta]

is the theories basically the same on spread option???

[gschwendt]

When you talk about the counter option, is that play still in the game? I can't seem to find it in very many formations. Also, since they changed Ohio's playbook so that it no longer has Maryland I, do you have a preferred playbook for this offense?

Pretty sure it's still in there, fake to the fullback non-playside. I think it's in there I normal and maybe even in one of the offset I's.

[rhombic21]

Do you have any advice for beating Dogs Zone blitz out of 4-2-5 or 3-3-5 Split? I couldn't figure anything out in practice mode. Seems like the ILBs and SS's come free against almost everyblocking scheme, and the DEs somehow manage to play the run against run plays, but fly back into their zone coverage areas against passes (including PA passes).

[HookemHorns]

When you talk about the counter option, is that play still in the game? I can't seem to find it in very many formations. Also, since they changed Ohio's playbook so that it no longer has Maryland I, do you have a preferred playbook for this offense?

Man it's been awhile since I've seen this thread. After looking through it again I noticed I never actually finished.

Let me look at what playbooks are available tonight and I'll let you know which ones I like. I've been running more of a Texas Vince Young style offense this year.

I remember when I first got the game I didn't find any playbooks that I really liked so I went to the shotgun spread offense.

[HookemHorns]

is the theories basically the same on spread option???

I could probably make a shotgun spread option manual.

As far as spread option (flexbone, etc) I should be all the same reads, but I've never looked to much into those offenses.

[rhombic21]

Let me know what you find out man. The only playbook that I found of any value that even had the full triple option version of I formation was Texas aTm (which is oddly enough, a spread option book).

When you talk about counter option, are you talking about "Triple Option Counter" plays, or plays like "Counter Option" from Ace Big Twins?

[HookemHorns]

Let me know what you find out man. The only playbook that I found of any value that even had the full triple option version of I formation was Texas aTm (which is oddly enough, a spread option book).

When you talk about counter option, are you talking about "Triple Option Counter" plays, or plays like "Counter Option" from Ace Big Twins?

The triple option counter plays. I have found that they work really well to the weak side. The fake to the dive back occupies the WLB making it easier to get outside. The read then becomes the DE or the outside invert.

Just like anytime you run the ball don't use sprint until there is a hole and get upfield as quickly as possible.

Are you looking to get back into online play?

[rhombic21]

Yeah, I'm mostly looking at this as preparation for '08. I'm assuming that they'll play similar enough that some of the principles that I learn here can be applied to the new game. I've also noticed that some of your principles apply to a wishbone style of offense. Right now I'm experimenting with the "Option Run" playbook. Even thought it doesn't have I Normal, it does have I Tight, Maryland I, Power I, and Wishbone Normal.

I also noticed that the "Counter Option" play from Ace Big Twins is a really nice play in beating that Dogs Zone Blitz. I may end up using Texas aTm's playbook, if I can convince myself to use that much SG.

[Gooksta]

I could probably make a shotgun spread option manual.

As far as spread option (flexbone, etc) I should be all the same reads, but I've never looked to much into those offenses.

do it.. cuz thats all I run when I play..

[HookemHorns]

Yeah, I'm mostly looking at this as preparation for '08. I'm assuming that they'll play similar enough that some of the principles that I learn here can be applied to the new game. I've also noticed that some of your principles apply to a wishbone style of offense. Right now I'm experimenting with the "Option Run" playbook. Even thought it doesn't have I Normal, it does have I Tight, Maryland I, Power I, and Wishbone Normal.

I also noticed that the "Counter Option" play from Ace Big Twins is a really nice play in beating that Dogs Zone Blitz. I may end up using Texas aTm's playbook, if I can convince myself to use that much SG.

From the couple times I've run triple option counter in practice its worked quite well against blitzes.

I am still trying to find a decent playbook for ya.

[rhombic21]

I like the concept of I formation a lot, because it allows you to be a little bit better in terms of balance with the passing game. In theory there's no reason that the wishbone couldn't also be an adequate passing offense, but EA has chosen to make every passing play from a wishbone set utter crap instead.

[HookemHorns]

I like the concept of I formation a lot, because it allows you to be a little bit better in terms of balance with the passing game. In theory there's no reason that the wishbone couldn't also be an adequate passing offense, but EA has chosen to make every passing play from a wishbone set utter crap instead.


You know though from what I have seen of the flexbone (Navy, Air Force, and Rice against Texas) it doesn't really seem like its set up well to pass out of. I don't know if thats just the teams that I see running it or what though.

[rhombic21]

I'm not talking about passing for 300 yards a game. I'm just talking about being able to pass against aggressive defenses. When OU ran the wishbone we never put up huge yards passing the ball, but the passing game worked well enough to keep people semi-honest against the run. OU also passed the ball pretty well when they needed to in comeback games. In fact, there was one year when OU had 2 WRs make All-American (Tinker Owens and Billy Brooks), and then Keith Jackson also made All American several times as a great pass receiving TE.

I wish I could find a better playbook. Texas aTm doesn't have anywhere near enough under center sets to really run this offense. I had good success with their I formation stuff, but the playbook really lacks diversity when you try to use it as a power run, Nebraska style of offense. Definitely agree with you on the counter options to the open side though. I also had success running counter lead plays to the open side. The strength of the formation causes people to hesitate in user defense, which can lead to some big plays.

[HookemHorns]

Well after scouring through every playbook that had I-Form Normal in it I hate to say it Texas A&M is the only playbook that has power, triple, and counter option in I-form normal.

It's not the best playbook, but it's the only playbook.

I did however find a really nice playbook other than Texas' that suits my offense really well...Southern Miss.

[rhombic21]

I think Maryland has it also. But it lacks I Tight, which I was enjoying as a jumbo package.

[HookemHorns]

I think Maryland has it also. But it lacks I Tight, which I was enjoying as a jumbo package.

Thats why I didn't even look at Maryland, you have to have I-Tight for those times people load up on you.

[rhombic21]

I'm still having some problems with the Dogs Zone Blitz. The problem is that when the DE opens and the dive becomes open, the weakside ILB is coming free and hitting my FB in the chin before I can veer to the outside. If the DE takes the FB, then I can pull it and make good yards with the QB to the outside, but I can't get a hat on that second ILB, and he's blowing up the FB everytime.

[Mad_Bomber]

Well after scouring through every playbook that had I-Form Normal in it I hate to say it Texas A&M is the only playbook that has power, triple, and counter option in I-form normal.

It's not the best playbook, but it's the only playbook.

I did however find a really nice playbook other than Texas' that suits my offense really well...Southern Miss.

What are some ways you'll look to attack a defense with USM's playbook?

[HookemHorns]

I'm still having some problems with the Dogs Zone Blitz. The problem is that when the DE opens and the dive becomes open, the weakside ILB is coming free and hitting my FB in the chin before I can veer to the outside. If the DE takes the FB, then I can pull it and make good yards with the QB to the outside, but I can't get a hat on that second ILB, and he's blowing up the FB everytime.

Let me know what your setup is, Teams your using and exact offensive and defensive plays...I assume its triple counter option against zone blitz from 4-3 stack. I'm not able to find Dogs Zone Blitz unless I am totally missing it somewhere (I did just wake up).

[HookemHorns]

What are some ways you'll look to attack a defense with USM's playbook?

I haven't played around with this playbook a whole lot but here is what I like so far.

My favorite formation is shotgun normal hb wk, well USM's playbook doesn't have that but it does have shotgun-normal flex.

Key Pass Plays:

HB Screen - because everyone likes to zone blitz on-line and this is deadly.

Switch - works great against nickle thunder green, throw it to the TE as soon as he makes his break

Slot Cross - same thing, but only use it if they are not using press coverage.

PA Indy - Works great against cover 1 or cover 0 man blitzing defenses. TE will be open.

SE Drag - Against cover 2 throw it to the TE in the window behind the dropping MLB and the safeties.

PA QB Choice - Three way read (1) TE if open behind the LBers, (2) Streaking WR, (3) backside post route.

Key Running Plays:

QB Draw - Slide protect spread, hike the ball then don't take control of the QB until he starts moving forward. Only use when you know the defense will be in zone coverage.

QB Slot Option - I use this as my zone read play. Slide protect spread then run it. Usually it is a read give to the HB, run it in between the strongside guard/tackle gap unless plugged then take it outside. Read the outside invert if you keep it.

QB Wrap - I hardly ever take it outside, this is my inside running game with the QB. Usually weakside guard/tackle gap. Doesn't work all the time, but when it does it's a 10 yards plus.

Speed Option - I hardly use it unless I have to.

A few of the other formations I like:

All of the I-formations
Ace-Slot
Ace-Y-Trips

If I go anymore in depth I am going to have to make its own thread, which is probably what I'll do.

One play that I am really liking is Weak-Twins Flex PA Boot Flood.

[rhombic21]

Let me know what your setup is, Teams your using and exact offensive and defensive plays...I assume its triple counter option against zone blitz from 4-3 stack. I'm not able to find Dogs Zone Blitz unless I am totally missing it somewhere (I did just wake up).

No, I'm talking about the Dogs Zone blitz out of 4-2-5 or 3-3-5 Split (basically 4-2-5), or 4-4.

Basically the concept is that the two ILBs blitz the interior gaps, the two Safeties/OLBs blitz outside, and then 3 DL (both DEs and one of the DTs) fall off into zone coverage, with Cover 3 behind it with the corners and FS.

[HookemHorns]

No, I'm talking about the Dogs Zone blitz out of 4-2-5 or 3-3-5 Split (basically 4-2-5), or 4-4.

Basically the concept is that the two ILBs blitz the interior gaps, the two Safeties/OLBs blitz outside, and then 3 DL (both DEs and one of the DTs) fall off into zone coverage, with Cover 3 behind it with the corners and FS.


Let me look at it here in a bit, I hardly use 4-2-5 anymore. Although what I found against 4-2-5 in '07 was to just run power option.

[rhombic21]

Yeah, the power option isn't really working. The playside gets blown up and pushed into the backfield, forcing the QB to take it wide, into the arms of the S. What would probably work is a regular counter option with the FB lead blocking rather than being a dive back. The counter option from Ace Big Twins seemed to work pretty well a lot of the time. The counter step is relatively effective at holding the backside ILB, and allowing the playside blocks to set up.

The tricky thing about that blitz is that a lot of people combine it with Mad Robber, so when you drop back to throw, it causes you to pause for an extra second to make sure there isn't going to be a DL dropping off into coverage, which can lead to sacks, or conversely can result in you throwing the ball into the arms of a DL. A big part of the issue with this play is the speed at which the DL cover. DEs drop faster than humanly possible, and then seem to cover an eternity of ground in coverage.

This offense (and the wishbone offense) would be infinitely more effective if blocking backs would use cut blocks instead of always trying to pancake block somebody. The biggest problem with running the ball against the zone blitz is that defenders scrape off and make the play just as you get past them, and also the fact that a lot of times defenders will be blocked, but they'll be standing right in the path that you need to run, forcing you to take the ball much wider than you want.

[Mad_Bomber]

If I go anymore in depth I am going to have to make its own thread, which is probably what I'll do.

Looking forward to checking it out.

[rhombic21]

Yeah, the power option isn't really working. The playside gets blown up and pushed into the backfield, forcing the QB to take it wide, into the arms of the S. What would probably work is a regular counter option with the FB lead blocking rather than being a dive back. The counter option from Ace Big Twins seemed to work pretty well a lot of the time. The counter step is relatively effective at holding the backside ILB, and allowing the playside blocks to set up.

Scratch this. Turns out this is the problem. The "power option" from I normal (and several other formations) is actually more of a counter option. The QB takes a reverse pivot step, rather than turning parallel to the LOS. This seems to be a problem because his footwork carries him right into the blitzing MLB.

Wishbone Tight has a power option play where the QB uses more appropriate footwork, and it seems to work extremly well.

I Slot also has it, but with no TE, it becomes a very strained pitch situation, because that S is in your face immediately.

Weak Tight Also has the proper footwork, and it works extremely well. The only problem is that Weak Tight isn't in any playbooks that feature other option run formations (somehow Buffalo has no options from any of it's non Tight I forms).

EDIT: Weak Tight is a sweet formation. I wish I could take the plays in that formation and transplant them into wishbone Normal, Tight, and Wide. It has a great power option play and a great option pass play off of the power footwork that I can get off quickly enough to beat the blitz. It sucks that this formation is only in two playbooks (Ga Tech and Buffalo), and neither of them feature ANY option in any of their other sets. If we could have custom PBs online, this would definitely be in my playbook.

EDIT #2: Weak Twin TE also has it (Option weak, but you can flip it strongside, or motion a TE over), but it's also in only 2 PBs (Wisconsin and Nebraska), neither of which have any kind of option plays from a base I formation (2 WRs).

[HookemHorns]

No, I'm talking about the Dogs Zone blitz out of 4-2-5 or 3-3-5 Split (basically 4-2-5), or 4-4.

Basically the concept is that the two ILBs blitz the interior gaps, the two Safeties/OLBs blitz outside, and then 3 DL (both DEs and one of the DTs) fall off into zone coverage, with Cover 3 behind it with the corners and FS.

Okay, triple counter option and power option are alittle problematic against this defense, however triple option out of I-Form Normal and I-Form Tight works well, and TR Option Rev out of I-Form Tight works really well.

There are two things you can do here for all three. (1) Give to the dive back, since its right up the 0 gap the DT thats bailing opens a wide hole and the FB runs right past the blitzing LBs. (2) Follow the FB through the hole with your QB Much like Nebraska did with the QB Keep series.

Two things will happen on the QB Keep either run it straight up the gut or break to the outside once you get through the line to keep the pitch option.

One thing that I should mention about the I-Form option. Your FB should be a big part of your game plan, don't look for the big play early on. Bust it inside a few times and make the defense adjust to the FB dive before taking it outside. It will open up so much more this way. Just remeber keep the FB involved all game long. If you remeber that game you and I played online, I won that game on a 50+ yard run by the FB right up the middle. Keep him involved and the LBers will be worrying about him first while your QB is rounding the edge with your HB.

Sorry it took so long, I took my kiddo to see Shrek 3.

[rhombic21]

I went home to visit family over the holiday, but I will try those things when I get a chance.

At this point, I'm thinking that I probably can't run this offense, just because it's not even possible with the playbooks. But I probably will employ some of the tactics with my wishbone/maryland I/Power I based offense, and I will certainly be keeping an eye on the playbooks in '08. One thing that I would really be interested in hearing about sometime is how you use non-option runs (in particular HB runs) within this scheme. What is the purpose of these runs as opposed to the option runs, and when would you use them? Against what sorts of defenses are the non-option runs preferrable, compared to the option runs?

[HookemHorns]

I completely understad, thats why I went away from the I-option offense in 07. There just isn't a good playbook, my only hope is either Ohio's (Frank Solich) or Buffalo's (Turner Gill) playbooks will be useful in 08.

As far as non-option runs I just use them as a change-up and to setup my play-action passing game. One thing I do is run FB dive instead of triple option when I know I want to give it to the FB. The QB and HB still carry out the rest of the option fake or atleast they did in 06.

Most of the time when playing on-line people will start blitzing to the outside when you start running the option well, so ISO's and other straight ahead runs start working really well. Then once you get those runs working the counter plays start working as well as play-action plays that show the same back field motion as your regular run plays.

The I-formation option offense has four parts:
1. FB running plays
2. Option game
3. Power running game (ISO, Counter, Power - not in 07)
4. Play-Action/option passing game

In trying to stay balanced I run each of those 25% of the time. I try to have my FB, QB, and HB each have the same amount of carries, then I just pick my spots for the play-action/option passing game.

Then, in I-formation Slot they have a slot reverse. Once you've run a few options and power running plays to the strongside the reverse is usually wide open (just make sure to have a speed burner at slot).

In keeping balanced the defense cannot load up to stop any one part.

[CapeCodDAWG]

This site is unbelievable !!!!
I'm very impressed with the members knowledge of this game (NCAA) and of football overall.
Ya'll are gonna make me a much better player.
Go DAWGS!

[HookemHorns]

This site is unbelievable !!!!
I'm very impressed with the members knowledge of this game (NCAA) and of football overall.
Ya'll are gonna make me a much better player.
Go DAWGS!

Thanks for the kind words. I am currently working on version 2.0 of this manual as we speak. Its going to be much more in depth with plays that I have created from existing plays and it will also include the passing game and pass blocking.

[Mad_Bomber]

Thanks for the kind words. I am currently working on version 2.0 of this manual as we speak. Its going to be much more in depth with plays that I have created from existing plays and it will also include the passing game and pass blocking.

Do you have any plans for another spread offense guide?

[HookemHorns]

Do you have any plans for another spread offense guide?

I could possibly get one of those out as well. After I finish the Nebraska I-Option Manual I am planing on making a defensive guide that will show counters to what people are doing and some of the blitz setups that I use with the 3-4...its not really going to be a defensive specific but more an overhead guide. After that it wouldn't take me too long to get a spread guide together as I've played 97% of 2008 with the spread.

Are you looking for spread option, Air Raid, or like the greatest show on turf type of spread?

[fatcheerleader]

I printed this entire thread, folded it in half, stuffed it in my back pocket, and plan on reading it all day long.... AT MY JOB! ;)

[mteeters]

Are you looking for spread option, Air Raid, or like the greatest show on turf type of spread?

I know you weren't asking a general question, but I'd like to throw my vote in for this one. Mainly because I don't think I've really seen anything on this so far (could have easily missed it). I do love the spread option, but I cringe whenever my QB "appears to be injured" on the play.

[Lifer]

Great thread Horns and very informative. I'm curious though if you have ever studied, or considered studying, the Ga Tech offenses of the late 90's? While GT attacked defenses with a myriad of looks (e.g., flexbone, wishbone, Maryland I, numerous ace formations with the RB in three-point stance, etc.), their base offense revolved around four formations: I Normal, I twins, I slot, and I Tight. After reading your analysis, it seems IMO that those GT teams are far more representative of your philosophy than Nebraska.

Unlike Nebraska, (1) GT ran the true triple option out the "I"; (2) GT utilized dropback passing in its attack (3, 5, and 7 step drops); (3) GT used motion, in one form or another, on almost all of its plays from scrimmage; and (4) GT was balanced. In fact, if you're looking for a team that takes your philosophy to its maximum level, then look no further. In Joe Hamilton's last two years, the Yellow Jackets averaged 200 yards rushing and 300 yards passing a game. And they accomplished this by running just about every play you mentioned: power option, counter option, triple option, iso's, counters, FB traps, play-action passing (off both power and option), and dropback passing.

Now I realize that this is your philosophy and not Nebraska's (although the Cornhuskers obviously greatly influenced you). But I thought you and others might be interested to know (if you didn't already) that there was another offensive system out there that IMO mimics your design a bit better. In fact, after reading this thread, the similarities are really uncanny.

I base my offense on NCAA off of those GT teams and, as a result, I practice often what you preach. I have six of their games on tape / DVD (only two of which unfortunately are full games [down] ) and have broken them down every which way you can so as to more accurately emulate them. IMHO, that is the best offensive system ever devised both from an entertainment and an effectiveness perspective. Since I remember that you volunteer coach for a team that runs the "I", perhaps it would be worth your time to take a more detailed look at those GT teams.

Anyway, great thread once again. If EA ever decides to get off their lazy asses and make defenses react to the option realistically, then your "manual" here will quickly become a must-read for the serious gamer. Actually, it already is but you get my point.[smile]

[Mad_Bomber]

Are you looking for spread option, Air Raid, or like the greatest show on turf type of spread?

Whatever you feel like putting together is fine with me. I'm curious as to whether or not you incorporate any jet sweep action into your spread game.

[Darken Rahl]

Are you looking for spread option, Air Raid, or like the greatest show on turf type of spread?

There are some good tips on Passing that I've read by others, but the more I see of the Air Raid teams (Texas Tech especially) the more fascinating it seems. I would love to see a break down on theory and personnel much like you did with the Coryell offense.

[HookemHorns]

Whatever you feel like putting together is fine with me. I'm curious as to whether or not you incorporate any jet sweep action into your spread game.

I do incorporate jet sweep as well as slot motion option. I'm about to finish up the I-option offense update, then I'll probably do both the spread option and air raid as I want to learn more about the air raid offense.

[SingleWing 2.0]

This is great, I had ideas about running an option out of the I, but nothing like this.

This is an awesome guide and it will really help me out a lot. I like to run the ball 85-95% of the time so this is really a huge help.

[HookemHorns]

This is great, I had ideas about running an option out of the I, but nothing like this.

This is an awesome guide and it will really help me out a lot. I like to run the ball 85-95% of the time so this is really a huge help.

Glad I could help. I'll have a new version out that is updated with some of the new running plays and it will also include pass protection and the passing game.

[givebo]

I apprecite your quality break down but....I would disagree if you get any penetration on any optionplaY from the tackle you are in trouble. Regardless if they are in 9, or 7 technique. I do like running option from the I, just because you can keep FS players hinest with PA leak, out of Twins set. plus you can use motion to load up and they have to stay honest or ISO becomes a bigplay.

[Wooly]

Guys, I am going to lock this thread because we are going to start archiving threads to the game versions they apply to...as much as possible. Feel free to start a new one though for 2009.

I will re-open the thread as soon as we get it moved to its own sub-forum.