Preseason ESPN/USA Today Poll--College Basketball

[silverwheels]

The preseason ESPN/USA Today Poll was released yesterday:

1. Duke (28) 0-0 767 7
2. Connecticut 0-0 692 17
3. Texas (2) 0-0 683 NR
4. Villanova (1) 0-0 644 13
5. Michigan State 0-0 632 4
6. Oklahoma 0-0 617 20
7. Gonzaga 0-0 540 18
8. Louisville 0-0 536 3
9. Arizona 0-0 532 6
10. Kentucky 0-0 511 5
11. Boston College 0-0 484 19
12. Memphis 0-0 354 NR
13. Stanford 0-0 331 NR
14. Alabama 0-0 295 NR
15. West Virginia 0-0 265 12
16. Syracuse 0-0 210 21
17. Illinois 0-0 201 2
18. UCLA 0-0 190 NR
18. Wake Forest 0-0 190 11
20. Iowa 0-0 176 NR
21. Maryland 0-0 167 NR
22. Indiana 0-0 153 NR
23. Iowa State 0-0 118 NR
24. George Washington 0-0 109 NR
25. Nevada 0-0 88 NR

OTHERS RECEIVING VOTES
N.C. State 76, Ohio State 72, Washington 57, Kansas 56, Wisconsin 52, Texas Tech 51, LSU 45, Michigan 35, Charlotte 34, Oklahoma State 34, North Carolina 16, Old Dominion 13, Georgetown 10, Florida 7, Northern Iowa 7, Miami (FL) 6, Western Kentucky 3, Vanderbilt 3, UNLV 2, Utah State 2, California 2, Ohio 2, Oral Roberts 2, Temple 1, Texas A&M 1, Bucknell 1

Defending NCAA Champions North Carolina with only 16 votes. Guess that'll happen when you lose your top 7 scorers.

[Nothingface]

Wow, Miami finally made it into the "Other receiving votes" category.

[nibblesb2k]

OU being 6th is kinda crazy IMO. I think by February they have a chance to be one of the elite teams but right now I just don't see them being that good. I guess the preseason polls are basicly crapshoots anyway so you really never know who's good and who's not. Texas has a chance to be special if they stay healthy and make grades.[cool]

[bcthomas]

OU being 6th is kinda crazy IMO. I think by February they have a chance to be one of the elite teams but right now I just don't see them being that good. I guess the preseason polls are basicly crapshoots anyway so you really never know who's good and who's not. Texas has a chance to be special if they stay healthy and make grades.[cool]

ding ding ding.

I love how everyone is jumping on the Villanova bandwagon. Maybe I am an idiot, but if someone can kindly explain to me how (by these rankings) Villanova, on a neutral court, beats Louisville, Oklahoma, Kansas. Kentucky and basically all powerhouse programs minus Duke and Texas (leaving UCONN out due to recent events).

Maybe they will be there this year, but I just don't know. It is just hard for me to fathom having Villanova that high, because it is ranking based purely on potential, and not on results.

[Cory]

ding ding ding.

I love how everyone is jumping on the Villanova bandwagon. Maybe I am an idiot, but if someone can kindly explain to me how (by these rankings) Villanova, on a neutral court, beats Louisville, Oklahoma, Kansas. Kentucky and basically all powerhouse programs minus Duke and Texas (leaving UCONN out due to recent events).

Maybe they will be there this year, but I just don't know. It is just hard for me to fathom having Villanova that high, because it is ranking based purely on potential, and not on results.
The same could be said for Duke, Texas, or anyone else in the top 25. Projections.

[nibblesb2k]

The same could be said for Duke, Texas, or anyone else in the top 25. Projections.

True, college basketball is a lot worse than football in the fact you don't really know how good teams are until January since most teams play 10 cup cakes to start the season. The first poll really shouldn't come out until mid January, kind of how the BCS comes out week 8. I guess rankings are mostly for fun and bragging rights in hoops anyway.

[NDstud21]

ding ding ding.

I love how everyone is jumping on the Villanova bandwagon. Maybe I am an idiot, but if someone can kindly explain to me how (by these rankings) Villanova, on a neutral court, beats Louisville, Oklahoma, Kansas. Kentucky and basically all powerhouse programs minus Duke and Texas (leaving UCONN out due to recent events).

Maybe they will be there this year, but I just don't know. It is just hard for me to fathom having Villanova that high, because it is ranking based purely on potential, and not on results.

Yeah Villanova was very promising though until their star Curtis Sumpter reinjured his knee. That was a huge blow to them.

[BigShan05]

Wow, Miami finally made it into the "Other receiving votes" category.
Robert Hite is stil there isnt he? i belive he is, just thought id ask to make sure. Anyways if he is, he should step up, and with their roster the canes dont look half bad, of course i said this when they had Darius Rice though.

[LikeWhoa20]

UConn is overrated; if Marcus Williams is going to be out they aren't near the same team. I'm also skeptical about the high ranking of my AZ Wildcats considering we have no inside presence and Jawann McClellan is out for 2 months.

[xGHFBx]

I think its amazing how good Oklahoma COULD be, if you add in all of the players that have gone AWOL the past 2 1/2 years for various reasons.. wow. Whatta' team.

[Durant_4_Prez]

The preseason ESPN/USA Today Poll was released yesterday:



Defending NCAA Champions North Carolina with only 16 votes. Guess that'll happen when you lose your top 7 scorers.

Pretty much, but in 2 or 3 years there should be another NC, at least on paper. :o

[Wufpack]

26th. I'll take it.

[killerBsaturn]

UConn is overrated; if Marcus Williams is going to be out they aren't near the same team. I'm also skeptical about the high ranking of my AZ Wildcats considering we have no inside presence and Jawann McClellan is out for 2 months.
No kidding UConn is gonna have two true freshman point guards who were recruited by no one. One was going to UMass and the other to Junior College. Marcus Williams will be back for conference play so all is not lost this year. But the Maui tournament could be ugly for UConn unless Rudy Gay can play the point effectively.

[Wufpack]

No kidding UConn is gonna have two true freshman point guards who were recruited by no one. One was going to UMass and the other to Junior College. Marcus Williams will be back for conference play so all is not lost this year. But the Maui tournament could be ugly for UConn unless Rudy Gay can play the point effectively.

Isn't Rudy like 6' 9"? I guess I shouldn't be talking though, I saw 6' 9" Brandon Costner, 6' 8" Gavin Grant, and 6' 10" Andrew Brackman bring up the ball during the Red-White Game. Well maybe not Brackman, but the other two.

[GTwreck]

ding ding ding.

I love how everyone is jumping on the Villanova bandwagon. Maybe I am an idiot, but if someone can kindly explain to me how (by these rankings) Villanova, on a neutral court, beats Louisville, Oklahoma, Kansas. Kentucky and basically all powerhouse programs minus Duke and Texas (leaving UCONN out due to recent events).

Maybe they will be there this year, but I just don't know. It is just hard for me to fathom having Villanova that high, because it is ranking based purely on potential, and not on results.

I think Villinova plays both OU and Texas early this year, so we should find out soon enough.

[Papa LoneStar]

I think Villinova plays both OU and Texas early this year, so we should find out soon enough.

Yep.......and Texas plays Duke and Memphis also. We ready!

[ROLL TIDE]

Wow, Miami finally made it into the "Other receiving votes" category.
They play alabama very early in the year though I beleive, and bama should be loaded this year, especially in the frontcourt

[NDstud21]

Isn't Rudy like 6' 9"?

Yeah, as versatile as Rudy is, I don't think he'll be playing point. He's too valuable on the wing. He creates such a mismatch because of his quickness and his ability to score.

He's the last person Calhoun would want to have a "pass-first" mentality.

[LikeWhoa20]

ding ding ding.

I love how everyone is jumping on the Villanova bandwagon. Maybe I am an idiot, but if someone can kindly explain to me how (by these rankings) Villanova, on a neutral court, beats Louisville, Oklahoma, Kansas. Kentucky and basically all powerhouse programs minus Duke and Texas (leaving UCONN out due to recent events).

Maybe they will be there this year, but I just don't know. It is just hard for me to fathom having Villanova that high, because it is ranking based purely on potential, and not on results.
They definitely were a top 5 team, but then Curtis Sumpter hurt his knee again. It's really sad how many injuries this team has suffered over the past 4 years; they really were playing well down the stretch last year and this was going to be their defining season.

[OCCoug]

That poll is kind of bad...

You can't convince me teams like Ohio, Oral Roberts, Western Kentucky, Bucknell, Old Dominion, Nevada, etc is better than a team who go no votes like a Notre Dame prior to the season.

[killerBsaturn]

Yeah, as versatile as Rudy is, I don't think he'll be playing point. He's too valuable on the wing. He creates such a mismatch because of his quickness and his ability to score.

He's the last person Calhoun would want to have a "pass-first" mentality.
I don't think Rudy will be the starter at point, but if Austrie and Garrison start turning over the ball he will be given the ball in key situations.

[LikeWhoa20]

That poll is kind of bad...

You can't convince me teams like Ohio, Oral Roberts, Western Kentucky, Bucknell, Old Dominion, Nevada, etc is better than a team who go no votes like a Notre Dame prior to the season.
Ohio is going to be loaded this year; they're capable of making a run like Kent State did a few years back with Antonio Gates. Bucknell has 4 starters back from the team that knocked off Kansas in the 1st round last year. Oral Roberts, W. Kentucky, and Old Dominion all have a lot of guys returning from squads that made the Dance last year. And Nevada is stacked; there's no arguing that they aren't qualified to be in the Top 25.

Notre Dame has a Quinn and Falls (zero defense) and Francis. They have no perimeter defense and Francis is forced to carry way too much of the load. Plus they launch way too many 3's.

[bruinfan18]

I agree with 18. Even though when were healthy. We're probably an 12-15 type team.

[Bomber_wrestler]

That poll is kind of bad...

You can't convince me teams like Ohio, Oral Roberts, Western Kentucky, Bucknell, Old Dominion, Nevada, etc is better than a team who go no votes like a Notre Dame prior to the season.
Maybe it should be like your Outcast poll and have ND at 5.[laugh] [laugh] [laugh]

[bcthomas]

Ohio is going to be loaded this year; they're capable of making a run like Kent State did a few years back with Antonio Gates. Bucknell has 4 starters back from the team that knocked off Kansas in the 1st round last year. Oral Roberts, W. Kentucky, and Old Dominion all have a lot of guys returning from squads that made the Dance last year. And Nevada is stacked; there's no arguing that they aren't qualified to be in the Top 25.

Notre Dame has a Quinn and Falls (zero defense) and Francis. They have no perimeter defense and Francis is forced to carry way too much of the load. Plus they launch way too many 3's.


ND might play on a bigger stage, but right now, on a neutral court, I would think that Western KY and Ohio would probably win a good game by around the 10-15 point margin.

Bucknell is riding the Kansas upset right now, and it is still fresh on people's minds, that is why they are over ND.

Old Dominion and Oral Roberts are tough, like Holy Cross a few years back, I don't know if I would put them ahead of ND, but I certainly would not bet the farm on the Irish in a head to head matchup.

And Nevada, they were just a victim of bad breaks last year. Their offense is amazing, it consistently creates open shots, and if they get their shooters going, they can play with anyone....anyone

You may be right, truthfully, I think the only two of those teams that I think are actually better than ND are WKU and Ohio, the rest I think are right in the same boat. But college B-Ball is always like that.

Generally you don't have an elite team, but almost a hierarchy in the way teams play.

For the most part 1-8 are all about the same 9-16 are all about the same 16-30 are all about the same and it is a crapshoot once you get past that point.

[RollBama1237]

Bama will definitely challenge Kentucky this season for the SEC Championship. Arkansas will be good, but I think the west is their's to lose.

And well, TCU.... :( ...not much to say about them...we got Keith Langfords "little" (6'8") brother as a transfer but he won't be playing this year...other than that, not much talent to speak of.

[Salt City Sooner]

"Bucknell is riding the Kansas upset right now, and it is still fresh on people's minds, that is why they are over ND."
I'm sure that's the first & foremost reason, but some of ND's Big East brethren might also be remembering that Bucknell also took down Pitt AT Pitt last year.

[maniacpilot931]

ding ding ding.

I love how everyone is jumping on the Villanova bandwagon. Maybe I am an idiot, but if someone can kindly explain to me how (by these rankings) Villanova, on a neutral court, beats Louisville, Oklahoma, Kansas. Kentucky and basically all powerhouse programs minus Duke and Texas (leaving UCONN out due to recent events).

Maybe they will be there this year, but I just don't know. It is just hard for me to fathom having Villanova that high, because it is ranking based purely on potential, and not on results.


Its a shame how ignorant you are on villanovas team. I hate preseason polls and would also like to abolish them, but if you ignore Sumpters injury (the polls were taken before his injury) Here is what you have:


Curtis Sumpter: The kid would be up for Big East POY, national player of the year. Might be the best all around player in the big east. Has completly dominated teams and games including Kansas, and before his injury in the Florida game, was about to blow up in that game. Has the complete ability to take over a game. Only him and Kyle Lowry have this ability on the team IMO.

Jason Fraser: Never ever been completly healthy for his career until this year. Never even in a game. Came into nova as the number one ranked center ahead of Amare Stoudamire (according to rivals). Dominated the Florida game for 25 points and 11 boards. Had to take over the game after Curt went down.

Allan Ray: 2nd team ALL BIG EAST last year. Led the US National team in PPG at 12.3 (Rondo was 3rd with 11.0 http://www.usabasketball.com/men/2005/05_mu21_wrap.html). Struggled during the NCAA, but was the one involved in the infamous walk scandle. Some say is Novas best player. I dont think so, I think this guy is:

Randy Foye: Selected to the NCAA Syracuse Region and Big East All-Tournament teams. Only player not to make it past the sweet sixteen to be selected to the team. The kid does it all, rebounds, plays incredibly hard defense, drives to the hole, and can drain the 3. Just a solid player and is due for a huge year.

Kyle Lowry: Talk about potential. All this kid did was light up UNC for 18 on 7-10 shooting. The kid has an ability much like Iverson. Is very quick and scores in bunchs. He has the most NBA potential on this team, and that is scary considering who is on this team. Will make you say wow everytime you watch him. I was at his first game back, and his first basket was an underneath the basket split two defenders while hanging in the air and one. Never have seen anything like it. Named to the Big East All Freshman team as well.

Mike Nardi: The trusty leader point guard of the team. Very fiery, and loves to shoot the three and spread the ball around. Nova plays an iso offense so he only avg 3.6 apg, but is very good about controlling the ball with only 16 to for the year.

Infact the whole Nova team is very good at controlling the ball and plays great great defense. Will probably see a 4 guard lineup during the year many times. Sheridan and freshman Dante Cunningham will be coming off the bench as well.

Like I said, I hate hate preseason polls, but the hype for a senior laden Nova team is warranted.

[Soldier Sooner]

I think its amazing how good Oklahoma COULD be, if you add in all of the players that have gone AWOL the past 2 1/2 years for various reasons.. wow. Whatta' team.
yeah for real man!!!
you'd have the great roster this year plus:

De'Angelo Alexander (UNC Charlotte)
Drew Lavender (Xavier)
Brandon Foust (SW Missouri St)
Jimmy Tobias (Oakland CC)
Larry Turner (?)

[OCCoug]

Maybe it should be like your Outcast poll and have ND at 5.[laugh] [laugh] [laugh]

Ok smartass. I didn't mean Notre Dame only :p. I meant a team like that. I don't follow CBB as closely as football so I didn't know who a similar comparison would be, so rather than randomly guess a team, I just said "like a Notre Dame". I figured you'd be able to read my post and understand that. So you can get off that 'arrogant ND fan' stuff.

BC - thanks, like I said I didn't mean ND specifically, just a team in their boat.

[bcthomas]

Its a shame how ignorant you are on villanovas team. I hate preseason polls and would also like to abolish them, but if you ignore Sumpters injury (the polls were taken before his injury) Here is what you have:


Curtis Sumpter: The kid would be up for Big East POY, national player of the year. Might be the best all around player in the big east. Has completly dominated teams and games including Kansas, and before his injury in the Florida game, was about to blow up in that game. Has the complete ability to take over a game. Only him and Kyle Lowry have this ability on the team IMO.

Jason Fraser: Never ever been completly healthy for his career until this year. Never even in a game. Came into nova as the number one ranked center ahead of Amare Stoudamire (according to rivals). Dominated the Florida game for 25 points and 11 boards. Had to take over the game after Curt went down.

Allan Ray: 2nd team ALL BIG EAST last year. Led the US National team in PPG at 12.3 (Rondo was 3rd with 11.0 http://www.usabasketball.com/men/2005/05_mu21_wrap.html). Struggled during the NCAA, but was the one involved in the infamous walk scandle. Some say is Novas best player. I dont think so, I think this guy is:

Randy Foye: Selected to the NCAA Syracuse Region and Big East All-Tournament teams. Only player not to make it past the sweet sixteen to be selected to the team. The kid does it all, rebounds, plays incredibly hard defense, drives to the hole, and can drain the 3. Just a solid player and is due for a huge year.

Kyle Lowry: Talk about potential. All this kid did was light up UNC for 18 on 7-10 shooting. The kid has an ability much like Iverson. Is very quick and scores in bunchs. He has the most NBA potential on this team, and that is scary considering who is on this team. Will make you say wow everytime you watch him. I was at his first game back, and his first basket was an underneath the basket split two defenders while hanging in the air and one. Never have seen anything like it. Named to the Big East All Freshman team as well.

Mike Nardi: The trusty leader point guard of the team. Very fiery, and loves to shoot the three and spread the ball around. Nova plays an iso offense so he only avg 3.6 apg, but is very good about controlling the ball with only 16 to for the year.

Infact the whole Nova team is very good at controlling the ball and plays great great defense. Will probably see a 4 guard lineup during the year many times. Sheridan and freshman Dante Cunningham will be coming off the bench as well.

Like I said, I hate hate preseason polls, but the hype for a senior laden Nova team is warranted.


it's not a shame. I know the players they have are outstanding, but players perform differently after coming off injuries. That is why I was shaky on Nova being that high.

Plus, I don't think they will be that high at the ned of the year, becuase of their schedule. They very well could lose 7-8 games this year, and that's no knock, that's just because the Big East is incredible and it will be hard to go through the Big East without hitting some bumps in the road.

[Scoo8b]

2 Iowa teams in the Top 25 and 3 in the Top 40. I expect all three of them (Iowa, Iowa State, and Northern Iowa) to make the tourny...

[nibblesb2k]

2 Iowa teams in the Top 25 and 3 in the Top 40. I expect all three of them (Iowa, Iowa State, and Northern Iowa) to make the tourny...


As do I. Although Iowa State will miss Jared Homan in the middle and Iowa has the whole Steve Alford thing working against them, I still like ISU and Iowa to finish top 4-5 in their respected conferences.

[maniacpilot931]

it's not a shame. I know the players they have are outstanding, but players perform differently after coming off injuries. That is why I was shaky on Nova being that high.

Plus, I don't think they will be that high at the ned of the year, becuase of their schedule. They very well could lose 7-8 games this year, and that's no knock, that's just because the Big East is incredible and it will be hard to go through the Big East without hitting some bumps in the road.

I agree they have a hard schedule, but even losing that many games can still get you 2 seed in the tourny with that hard of a schedule.

[LikeWhoa20]

2 Iowa teams in the Top 25 and 3 in the Top 40. I expect all three of them (Iowa, Iowa State, and Northern Iowa) to make the tourny...
I'll be interested to see if my boy Tony Freeman gets some P.T. at Iowa this year in his freshman season. He was a scoring machine in high school at St. Joseph's (former h.s. of Isiah Thomas).

[swlpack]

26th. I'll take it.

Exactly. Herb has the chance to do something special this year. This is his most talented team all-around so far, and other teams in the conference are down. Anything less than a top 3 in the ACC finish would be disappointing. I might be heading to the exhibition tomorrow night against the Univ. of Guelph, should be exciting.

[Crimson Landonio]

They play alabama very early in the year though I beleive, and bama should be loaded this year, especially in the frontcourt

?

We don't play Miami.

[Wufpack]

Exactly. Herb has the chance to do something special this year. This is his most talented team all-around so far, and other teams in the conference are down. Anything less than a top 3 in the ACC finish would be disappointing. I might be heading to the exhibition tomorrow night against the Univ. of Guelph, should be exciting.

Whoa, whoa, whoa. I dunno about top 3, but I say top 5-6ish is pretty good and guarantees an NCAA berth. There is some questions I have, like can anyone else step into the leadership role? Obviously this team more than ever will resemble "teamwork" but sometimes you need a guy that can take over at the end, like Hodge did against UCONN in the tourney. I remember seeing some idiotic game situations with Engin Atsur shooting a damn three from 23 feet out (that happened one game and I wanted to barf, forgot which game).

Right now the 2 I like are Evtimov and Brackman. Of course, I didn't see important players Bethel and Simmons play due to injuries and Gavin Grant played with a hip pointer granted, so that ought to make us better. Now I think about it, I think we should be Top 4, if we get healthy fast enough. Being without Bethel actually hurt us more than I thought last year and we can get him back for ACC along with Simmons and others we have great potential. We gotta get healthy.

[shinsational]

That poll is kind of bad...

You can't convince me teams like Ohio, Oral Roberts, Western Kentucky, Bucknell, Old Dominion, Nevada, etc is better than a team who go no votes like a Notre Dame prior to the season.

Ohio, Oral Roberts, WKU, Bucknell, ODU and Nevada could eaisly finish with something like 25 losses combined, due to scheduling. Figure in that ND is in what looks to be the best basketball confrence in the land this year, and that about sums it up.

[Scoo8b]

Iowa won their first exhibition game tonight, 97-36. It was against the 2nd ranked college team in Canada. They don't have very good teams, but Iowa didn't exactly impress against a similar Canadian team last year. I think this is a good sign though as it appears they have a killer instinct that they have been missing for quite some time...

[Wufpack]

Iowa won their first exhibition game tonight, 97-36. It was against the 2nd ranked college team in Canada. They don't have very good teams, but Iowa didn't exactly impress against a similar Canadian team last year. I think this is a good sign though as it appears they have a killer instinct that they have been missing for quite some time...

It'll be interesting to play you guys in ACC/Big Ten challenge.

[LikeWhoa20]

Iowa won their first exhibition game tonight, 97-36. It was against the 2nd ranked college team in Canada. They don't have very good teams, but Iowa didn't exactly impress against a similar Canadian team last year. I think this is a good sign though as it appears they have a killer instinct that they have been missing for quite some time...
How did Freeman do? We used to play on the same AAU team. I'm curious to see how he does this year and how much P.T. he gets behind those experienced guards.

[HogsRule22]

geez, Arkansas didn't get a single vote? I think we have a great shot at winning the West this year. Ronnie Brewer is a beast

[jman13]

True, college basketball is a lot worse than football in the fact you don't really know how good teams are until January since most teams play 10 cup cakes to start the season. The first poll really shouldn't come out until mid January, kind of how the BCS comes out week 8. I guess rankings are mostly for fun and bragging rights in hoops anyway.
Maryland is going to get tested early and I LOVE that aspect of the Maui. Our opener is Fairleigh Dickinson, gotta get a win in, but then we travel to Hawaii (farrrr away) to play #7 Gonzaga who obviously travelled a lot less in a small ass gym. That is a true test. I am very anxious to see how we come out.

Sidenote: First exhibition game for Maryland was played on Saturday against St. Xavier of Canada. Routed 90-58. Mike Jones was our leading scorer off the bench and went 7-9 from the field which is a veryyyyy good sign.

[volniac]

Maryland is going to get tested early and I LOVE that aspect of the Maui. Our opener is Fairleigh Dickinson, gotta get a win in, but then we travel to Hawaii (farrrr away) to play #7 Gonzaga who obviously travelled a lot less in a small ass gym. That is a true test. I am very anxious to see how we come out.

Sidenote: First exhibition game for Maryland was played on Saturday against St. Xavier of Canada. Routed 90-58. Mike Jones was our leading scorer off the bench and went 7-9 from the field which is a veryyyyy good sign.

Who?

[nibblesb2k]

Who?

[laugh]

[Wufpack]

NC State also played a Canadian team (University of Guelph) and was victorious in a 75-46 victory. The scoring was spread out a lot but the main leaders were Brackman with 13, Evtimov with 12 and many contributors. I really like what I saw from freshmen McCauley and Fells. Costner with his body although he's a good 3 shooter should probably go inside more. Cedric and Brackman are fucking beastly in the post. Bennerman looks solid. Bethel was out with injury.

NCSU plays their next game again Friday against Mount Olive. Hopefully not a slow start again.

I saw the stats from the UNC exhibition game. Tyler Hansborough. [wow]

[TexasAggie2323]

Nice Texas A&M got a vote. We played an exhibition game tonight but I was not able to see it. I have heard that our defense is going to be great but that many of the new guys are still trying to pick up the offense and defense. Antanas is a guy who will probably start really slow but could be a force down the stretch.

[NDstud21]

I saw the stats from the UNC exhibition game. Tyler Hansborough. [wow]

Yeah, 11-14 shooting, 26 points, 8 boards, 4 blocks...

Granted it was against Fayetteville State, but those are impressive first game stats for a Freshman.

Watch out NC State ;)

[Wufpack]

Yeah, 11-14 shooting, 26 points, 8 boards, 4 blocks...

Granted it was against Fayetteville State, but those are impressive first game stats for a Freshman.

Watch out NC State ;)

Herb always brings good D. We'll see what happens this season.

[LikeWhoa20]

Yeah, 11-14 shooting, 26 points, 8 boards, 4 blocks...

Granted it was against Fayetteville State, but those are impressive first game stats for a Freshman.

Watch out NC State ;)
Every frontcourt dominates in exhibition games since they're playing against teams whose post players are only 6'4". A buddy of mine who's only 6'4", 210 lbs had to guard D.J. White and Marco Killingsworth when they played Indiana in an exhibition game last week. All I'm saying is don't get too excited after one exhibition game.

[CJ_24]

Robert Hite is stil there isnt he? i belive he is, just thought id ask to make sure. Anyways if he is, he should step up, and with their roster the canes dont look half bad, of course i said this when they had Darius Rice though.
Hite, Diaz and King are back. Harris fractured his foot and will miss the first couple weeks. our big OOC games will be Florida and Louisville (on New Years eve no less). for some reason we have a game @NC State on Dec. 18th. the game is no where close to ACC conference play, so i'm wondering if this is a conference game that got put here do to no open dates between the two teams or if we just decided to play a OOC against a conference opponent. can any State fans tell me whats up with this?

[Kinnick]

How did Freeman do? We used to play on the same AAU team. I'm curious to see how he does this year and how much P.T. he gets behind those experienced guards.

Freeman had like 6 points, 3 rebounds and 4 assists in around 20 minutes. I didn't actually see the game so i van tell you how well he looked on the court, I can just give you his boxscore numbers.

[LikeWhoa20]

That's okay. I didn't notice until just now that you don't live in Iowa City.

[maniacpilot931]

LOL Syracuse almost lost to Cornell. What a shit team. GMAC didnt hit a three, yep he was 0-8. All the fucking media just sucks his testicles till no tomorrow because of his freshman year. ALL AMERICAN my ass.

[LikeWhoa20]

LOL Syracuse almost lost to Cornell. What a shit team. GMAC didnt hit a three, yep he was 0-8. All the fucking media just sucks his testicles till no tomorrow because of his freshman year. ALL AMERICAN my ass.
0 of 10 for McNamara last night actually. Yeah, he's shot under 40% from FG and 3 Pt in the last two years. He's still a major threat though. Terrence Roberts will definitely be the most complete player for them though this year.

[maniacpilot931]

0 of 10 for McNamara last night actually. Yeah, he's shot under 40% from FG and 3 Pt in the last two years. He's still a major threat though. Terrence Roberts will definitely be the most complete player for them though this year.

How is he a major threat??? A major threat deserving of AA status.

[LikeWhoa20]

How is he a major threat??? A major threat deserving of AA status.
Well his shooting percentage is so low because most all of his shots are treys and usually the opposing team's best perimeter defender is dogging him all game. Even if his numbers have dropped from his freshman year, every team that faces Syracuse still has to put a lot of focus into making sure he doesn't get any open looks. That's how he's a major threat. Much like Redick, he gives his teammates more room to create just by how much attention he gets.

[NCHORN]

Yeah, 11-14 shooting, 26 points, 8 boards, 4 blocks...

Granted it was against Fayetteville State, but those are impressive first game stats for a Freshman.

Watch out NC State ;)

Hey Fayetteville State gave all it could, they are D2 after all.......I go there by the way :)

[doh]

LOL Syracuse almost lost to Cornell. What a shit team. GMAC didnt hit a three, yep he was 0-8. All the fucking media just sucks his testicles till no tomorrow because of his freshman year. ALL AMERICAN my ass.
He had ONE bad game.... so he sucks now.

[OCCoug]

Turn on ESPNU... although at this point with 6 minutes left Kentucky has begunto pull away [currently up 7] but this Lipscomb team is putting up a fight [laugh]

[Wufpack]

Turn on ESPNU... although at this point with 6 minutes left Kentucky has begunto pull away [currently up 7] but this Lipscomb team is putting up a fight [laugh]

Damn man. I thought Shagasaurus was gonna dominate these guys.

[Hollywood]

LMAO! Our fucking season is over. We just got waxed by NORTH-FUCKING-WESTERN AND Wyoming. [laugh]


So Kella, are you SURE you're not coming down for the Dayton game? With the way things are going, you guys will win by 50 points [laugh].


My school is a fucking joke.


*Edit* We took 30 fucking 3 point shots. THIRTY! Nevermind that we have a potential 1st team All-American in Curtis Withers...fuck that, let's jack up threes all night! Bobby Lutz basketball at it's best.

[volniac]

LMAO! Our fucking season is over. We just got waxed by NORTH-FUCKING-WESTERN AND Wyoming. [laugh]


So Kella, are you SURE you're not coming down for the Dayton game? With the way things are going, you guys will win by 50 points [laugh].


My school is a fucking joke.


*Edit* We took 30 fucking 3 point shots. THIRTY! Nevermind that we have a potential 1st team All-American in Curtis Withers...fuck that, let's jack up threes all night! Bobby Lutz basketball at it's best.

Kinda makes me glad we didn't go after him... Fuck that, y'all would still beat us.

[LikeWhoa20]

I can't believe what's happened to Charlotte over the past few days. What the hell happened? They were supposed to be top 25 and dominate the A-10. It's still early, but those losses will look terrible come March.

[Hollywood]

I can't believe what's happened to Charlotte over the past few days. What the hell happened? They were supposed to be top 25 and dominate the A-10. It's still early, but those losses will look terrible come March.

We're done. I'm already looking ahead to next season.


Either that, I'm going to enter a grad program at a real school (that plays this newfangled sport they call "football" on saturday afternoons). Either way.